Originally posted by blende8 It's not cumulative.
It says so in the manual and my tests say so, too.
Cool. Unfortunately for me...
Originally posted by augustmoon If you do a search, you will see that this has been discussed when the K20D first came out, and it was confirmed that you can have either one or the other value selected, but not both, cumulatively.
Yup, I did a number of web searches, because the wording in that memo was so poor and ambiguous (and inaccurate). Sadly I found three different definitive answers:
a) If you have a value set for [Apply all] that value will be used for all lenses, whether or not you have a separate value stored for that lens.
b) If you have a value set for [Apply all] that value will be used for all lenses except those that have a separate value stored. Lens with stored values will use their stored value.
c) If you have a value set for [Apply all] that value will be used for all lenses and lenses with a stored value will add their stored value to the [Apply all] value.
And for each of those mutually exclusive answers, there were people who claimed to have run tests that confirmed it. So at this point, I going to try to run my own tests. I try to publish the test methodology and the actual shots, so at least the next person searching can have a little more detail.
Originally posted by augustmoon Directly from the Pentax manual PDF, on page 104 (page 106 in the PDF) in the tinted memo box at the bottom:
• If an adjustment value has been saved using Apply One and you press the OK button with [Apply All] selected in Step 6, the Apply All value is used instead of the Apply One value.
So you need to make sure which value you want to use, the Apply One or the Apply All, and this needs to be highlighted when you press the OK button to exit as this value will be used, not the other one, and that means not both.
I can see how you could interpret it that way, but I think it is very unlikely. That would leave you with no indication of which number was being used. You would have to try to remember what you had highlighted last for that lens, even if it was months ago. Your first hint that it was using [Apply all] would be a bunch of out of focus shots if you ever changed the [Apply all] value. Could be, but I think the odds are low. And that's my problem with that section of the manual. How it is worded, and how the menus actually work, don't really combine to anything that makes sense. It looks like a tech writers attempt to reword something, and as such I find myself not trusting any of it.
Edit: It looks like the firmware does tell you what is in use in that when you enter the AF menu, it highlights [Apply all] or [Apply one] based on what you selected the last time you saved for that lens. So you can tell, although there is one oddity. [Apply all] may be highlighted, but have a value of zero. If it really is what was selected when you hit save for that lens, and a that time [Apply all] had a value, and subsequently, with another lens mounted, you set the [Apply all] to zero, how does the first lens behave?
Originally posted by augustmoon As the manual reads instead of, not in addition to, or in combination with.......
Hope this helps save some time and grief
The Lens Align unit makes the testing go pretty quickly, especially since I'll only really need to run one lens for most of the tests, and then a second just on a subset for verification. I figure I'll use my 50-135 set to 50 for the main runs, then my 16-45 set to 45 for the second lens, that way I probably won't even have to reposition the Lens Align. Just for characterizing the firmware behavior, that will be fine. I'll run through more focal lengths when I actually try to calibrate the lenses.