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02-07-2009, 03:46 PM   #1
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da 21mm vs da 35mm macro?

I've just upgraded my kit 50-200mm to the da* 50-135mm a sweet lens!

Now I'm looking to replace my 16-45mm f/4 lens with a primes but starting with one as I'm limited in terms on money atm.

So just wondering what you think 21mm vs 35mm?

Does anyone have two shots of the same subject taken with each lens?

At the moment I'm leaning more to the da 35mm because of the macro as an extra but is it wide enough?

Can you please post some portrait samples etc from both lenses if you have them

Any helpful opinion welcomed

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If I had the 16-45, I wouldn't be thinkng in terms of *replacing* it with a prime. At least, not just one prime. A 21 *and* a 35, maybe. But 21 would be too wide half the time and 35 too narrrow. But if you're set on limiting yourself in that way anyhow, there's no way anyone can choose focal length for you. That is something you can see for yourself by just setting your zoom to one of those focal lengths and walking around for a while. Also, try using some sort of image management program that lets you organize your pictures by focal length to see what focal lengths *you* actually shoot and how many additional shots you could get get by going wider than whatever your favorite focal length turns out to be.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Marc Sabatella Quote
If I had the 16-45, I wouldn't be thinkng in terms of *replacing* it with a prime. At least, not just one prime. A 21 *and* a 35, maybe. But 21 would be too wide half the time and 35 too narrrow. But if you're set on limiting yourself in that way anyhow, there's no way anyone can choose focal length for you. That is something you can see for yourself by just setting your zoom to one of those focal lengths and walking around for a while. Also, try using some sort of image management program that lets you organize your pictures by focal length to see what focal lengths *you* actually shoot and how many additional shots you could get get by going wider than whatever your favorite focal length turns out to be.
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not to pick on you especially, but always perplexed at these types of posts asking for advice for two very different types of lenses... you probably have the best idea which one you want more, most likely you won't be disappointed by either lenses technically.

i had the da21, it's an alright lens, but nothing super special about it. i think more people are attached to their da35's

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QuoteOriginally posted by dopeytree Quote
So just wondering what you think 21mm vs 35mm?
21mm and 35mm are very far apart in field-of-view, and produce images with a very different look from each other. If you want to start with just one, take a look at where you are shooting with your 16-45 and try to get close to that, or a little wider. I would start with the DA21 myself, unless you're into close-up work (although the DA21 can focus fairly close!). But I think you'll find it difficult to replace the 16-45 with just one prime lens.
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Let me add some more info..

I shoot a lot of gigs and this lens is ok but not brilliant for that. I prefer primes and generally have been using my old m 50mm f/1.7 to get the light and its also fun trying to nail the focus. I was thinking of just replacing it with the 17-70mm f/4 SDM but its not that cheap and I want to get started with the limiteds. I find myself using the lens less and less.



Looking through lightroom I use maily around the 21mm and 35mm range but also a fair bit of the 16mm

Really I want samples from both lens.

I've just got the 35mm macro on here for £200 so maybe I'll buy the 21mm soon.
I'm fully intending to buy the other lens quite soon and also the 15mm when it comes out.

But then given the choice would you prefer a 15mm over a 21mm?

this is at 16mm



I think I'd prefer the 15mm

I forgot to say I still have a kit 18-55mm for those times I might require a wide zoom.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Marc Sabatella Quote
If I had the 16-45, I wouldn't be thinkng in terms of *replacing* it with a prime. At least, not just one prime. A 21 *and* a 35, maybe. But 21 would be too wide half the time and 35 too narrrow. But if you're set on limiting yourself in that way anyhow, there's no way anyone can choose focal length for you. That is something you can see for yourself by just setting your zoom to one of those focal lengths and walking around for a while. Also, try using some sort of image management program that lets you organize your pictures by focal length to see what focal lengths *you* actually shoot and how many additional shots you could get get by going wider than whatever your favorite focal length turns out to be.
+2 on this

and kind of agree with others here
21 vs 35 is like chocolate vs redbull, both give u energy but in very different way!
simply put, keep 16-45 it's a good lens, and I don't see why get rid of it! I'd get one myself if I wouldn't already have: 10-20, 18-55, 31ltd and 40ltd.
If you want to buy something to add to your 16-45 then
a) 35ltd would be great walkaround when going "light" and does macro and is 1 stop faster
b) FA35 apparently very decent lens, but without macro and another stop faster
c) FA31 wider than both, faster then both but bigger and much more expensive then both...
good luck
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at one point I was going to up the 16-45mm f/4 to the da* 16-50mm f/2.8 but it was double the price and had qc issues and when I had a play with one for a week I found it a bit to heavy for everyday use and the zoom is anything but smooth!!! Its stiff as hell

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you use wide lenses shooting gigs? How close are you? For that type of shot I would want 77/1.8 or if I was forced close 31/1.8.
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I have used it wide successfully at gigs but I use the wide end generally for landscapes. Take a peak at my site

I've got the da* 50-135mm f/2.8 for gigs now and portraits. The trouble with shooting at anything above f/4 is is becomes not so sharp due to the depth of field etc. you can get away with f/2.8 but go to f/1.7 and its a whole other story im my experience.

I generally get to be as close as I want. I normally start close and work my way back getting crowd shots nearer the end.

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Ah-hem...

The faster lens advantage (FA 31/1.8, FA 43/1.9, etc.) is greater control via the viewfinder. You have more light to see your subject, check the focus, composition, etc. prior to taking the shot. You are not obligated to always capture your image at F/1.8 where the DOF may be razor thin and focus soft.

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Yes I know I have a M 50mm f/1.7. It really all depends on where your shooting some pubs/small clubs have terrible lighting whereas if a bands on tour they have an amazing lighting show.
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For landscapes, I don't think you're going to improve much on the 16-45 by replacing it with a prime in that range. Only reason for the prime would be for more speed, and if I were in your shoes, it would be the FA35/2.

For concerts, it's of course all about speed. I shoot from up close too, but I generally go for head-and-shoulder shots, not shots of the whole band. As far as I'm concerned, your 50-135 has you set for life there, but by all means, if you had a 35/2, you could use that for wider shots. I don't think anything wider than that would interest me enough to bother bringing ity to the gig. I've got a 28 and I'll take a couple of shots with it some nights, but I then it's back to my trusty M100/2.8
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