Originally posted by emr .... but does that show in photographs taken in normal circumstances? Or only in extreme conditions? When the placebo effect isn't there, have you really felt your pictures have gained from the better lens?.....
yes and yes.
Better lens does show in photographs, and pictures do gain from better lenses. Many pointed out wide f stops as a benefit, but it's not all about that. I don't own any * lenses but I have 31ltd and 40ltd. The contrast, colour rendition, sharpness (not alone but all three combined) can't be matched by anything else in my bag. You'll get other lenses, that are fast, that are sharp or have good colours but the main benefit of ltds (at least those I own) is you'll get it all in one (and beautifuly crafted) package
Originally posted by Andi Lo Not that I've owned any *s or limiteds so take this with a grain of salt. IMHO the kit lens is amazing for what it is at f 5.6-8. A "real life" gain I think would be the extra speed. I just got a Tamron 28-75 which is a step up from the kit. Not a star, I know. The sharpness, contrast, and color rendition improvement is definitely there but the only "real life difference" I see from my 2 week use of it is the extra speed. If you dont find yourself in need of stopping up to bigger apertures. I'd say expand the range that you have to give more possibility (fisheye? macro?)
you couldn't be more wrong. I have DA18-55, have been using it for over year exclusively and another year as main wide angle. Comparing kit to lts is like comparing Audi TT to McLaren. Sure, TT is great and fast etc, but you won't notice the difference in ride until you'll sit in McLaren.
Don't get me wrong, I love kit lens to bits, it gave many great shots, but it just gets hammered by 31&40 ltds, in everything (sharpness, colour pop, contrast bokeh etc, no question...
Originally posted by wildman ......Let's put it this way:
I have a FA 35. If I started to use, from this point on, a DA 35 limited (ignoring the macro capability of the limited) would it make a noticeable, practical real world improvement in my images over using the FA 35? In my opinion NO. In other words if I was just looking at files created by one or the other lens, without knowing which lens created which file, my expectation is that I would not me able to tell the difference with any degree of accuracy.
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not the same comparison as kit vs ltd. FA35 is cosidered one of the best FA primes, with outstanding resolution, bokeh etc...
if you compare very good lens with very very good lens, surely the real life difference won't be big, but if you compare medicore kit zoom to very very good lens, there will be difference.... IMHO
Originally posted by ll_coffee_lP Good lenses certainly make a difference in image quality (your FA50 should tell you that)...and in what you can do with them.
f2.8 - f1.4 means you can seriously blow out backgrounds over f3.5 or higher. Better bokeh.
Better contrast and colours
Can shoot in dimmer situations
Much sharper
Lens effects (i.e. 3D quality from 77ltd)
Infinitely better build quality (incl: weather sealing, all metal build, etc)
...etc.
Here's my biggest thing about quality lenses...if the lens can do what I would do in PProcessing on it's own then it has saved me time. In business this time = money (speed of service to clients, etc.) so to me the quality optics are certainly worth it - within reason.
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this is well put...
nicely summed up the benefits of better lenses (especialy ltds in this case), especialy the last section
at the end of the day it all depends on what do you need/want. Surely no point of getting ltds if you are mainly zoom shooter. If you crave after ultimate IQ * and ltd lenses are good way to go (I'm not saying the only way, as there are many outstandign older lenses). It's pricy way, and sometimes bumpy (with all the bad copies on DA* etc) but very and I stress VERY rewarding one. I was happy with DA18-55, I loved my Sigma 10-20 and considered Sigma 105 excellent (it still is but...) but none of those lenses gave me images like DA40ltd!!! And since I got FA31ltd, it just reassured me that yes, ltds are different to anything else that is out there....
your choice
BR