any Sigma 70-200/2.8 HSM users?

kenyee · 03-31-2009, 08:11 AM

I'm back to looking for a 70-200/2.8 for my lens lineup and would like to add an HSM lens to it...have any owners of this lens had issues?

I found a few somewhat disturbing site comments about it:
CameraLensRentals.com - Camera Lens Rental for Canon, Nikon, and PENTAX Cameras
Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM II Macro Lens Review

The Tamron is the other alternative but it also supposedly has focus issues (random focusing sometimes) and is slower at focusing than the Sigma (though it probably won't break down and die like the Sigma :-)

WerTicus · 03-31-2009, 09:34 AM

im leaning toward the tamron myself, i've heard bad things about the HSM version and quality control of the sigma however the older non hsm version was better.

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/325-sigma-af-70-200mm...w--test-report review on nikon of the sigma and on the canon: http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/324-sigma-af-70-200mm-f28-ex-apo-hsm-dg-la...report--review

here is a tamron review

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/tamron_70-200_2p8_c16/

Denis · 03-31-2009, 10:08 AM

I have the Sigma,

the goods,
fast and quiet focus,
sharp,
solid build,
Constant 2.8
Full frame
instant focus adjustment

the bads
heavy,
some CA at 200mm

The CA is minor and easily removed with software.
Overall a very good lens. HSM is excellent.

As for sharpness, it is hard for me to see the difference. Remember the number of factors involved in focusing. If your system is slightly off, camera sensor and selection, your eye... and many more. Best is to test it prior to purchase and make sure you can return it if not satisfied. Anything can break down but with a 10 year warranty, I feel fairly confident.

As for the review which was written in the early release of this lens, I have not experienced these problems. He even admitted that the CA is present in Canon and Tamron lenses but not as bad. My experience is CA to be minor at the100 to 200mm setting. You may have to pay 3 times the price to reduce this effect slighly. You get what you pay for, perfection comes in at a high cost in optical performance. Something that bothers me in this review is the testing on Canon bodies. The Pentax version may not have the focus issues encountered.

I use mine on a K10D and for the money I am very satified with the results.

kenyee · 03-31-2009, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Denis

with a 10 year warranty, I feel fairly confident

Wow...they must provide a different warranty in Canada. In the US, it's only 4 yrs...

Denis · 03-31-2009, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by kenyee

Wow...they must provide a different warranty in Canada. In the US, it's only 4 yrs...

Yes, here's where I bought mine, warranty card say 10.

http://www.donsphoto.com/products.html?catalog%5Bdecision_model_guids%5D%5B%...e%5D%5Bmax%5D=

Pentax is 2 years.

palmor · 03-31-2009, 12:21 PM

I picked up one and ended up returning it for a couple of different reasons. First, I had the older non HSM/non Macro version and it was much sharper wide open then the new one. I just couldn't let that go

. I also ran into the problem of it not focusing correctly at short distances (see the review of the lens at dpreview for details).

John

mi2nc · 03-31-2009, 05:00 PM

What is the difference between a macro and non-macro version of a lens?

Denis · 03-31-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by palmor

I picked up one and ended up returning it for a couple of different reasons. First, I had the older non HSM/non Macro version and it was much sharper wide open then the new one. I just couldn't let that go

. I also ran into the problem of it not focusing correctly at short distances (see the review of the lens at dpreview for details).

John

I have not encountered any focusing problems even at shortest distance. I can not comment on sharpness at the wide open but my results are quite satisfactory.

SOldBear · 03-31-2009, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by mi2nc

What is the difference between a macro and non-macro version of a lens?

In general, a "non-macro" lens has minimal focusing distance about 10X focal length, e.g. 1 meter or 3 ft. for a 100mm lens. The maximum magnification ratio is about 1:8.

A "macro" lens can focus much closer. For most "macro" zoom lenses, the magnification ratio of 1:4 is common. Some can even do 1:2.

Note: I'm using the work "macro" with the loose usage commonly seen these days. Strictly speaking, "macro" means magnification ratio of at least 1:2.

mi2nc · 03-31-2009, 05:50 PM

so I could use this to lens to shoot my kids hockey games?

joelovotti · 03-31-2009, 06:09 PM

Go Sigma

The only thing the Tamron can claim is a slight bump in IQ but I have no idea if you can see it anywhere other than a test chart. At least I'm not aware of Sigma users complaining about IQ. I'm sure not.

What the Sigma does have:
Great build quality
Silent Focussing
The action on the focus and zoom rings is silky smooth. I one finger the zoom on mine and never does it feel stiff or too loose.

I get great pics from my copy and wouldn't trade it for anything.

The look and feel of a lens is very important to me and the Sigma is a sexy lens.

The biggest problem you'll have with the Tamron is the manual focussing. With the Sigma it is a instant shift from AF to manual Focus. Just give the focus ring the lightest touch and we are in manual focus. If you want to do the same with the tamron you have to engage the lens clutch by push-pulling the focus ring and then take your hand off the lens to shift to manual focus on the camera body. If you are the kind of photographer that likes to touch up focus the tamron would be a real pain.

I'm obviously biased towards Sigma. I have the 70-200 and the 18-50 2.8 constant aperture lenses but I believe all the above to be true.

What I should say is the finish on the Sigma lens is a love-it or hate-it thing so be sure to get your hands on both lenses before you buy.

In the end it's personal. Except for the manual focus thing you couldn't go wrong either lens.

Be well,
joe

kenyee · 03-31-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by mi2nc

so I could use this to lens to shoot my kids hockey games?

Yes, you'll have better luck shooting sports w/ the Sigma than the Tamron. Someone on DPR said the Sigma 70-200 HSM was the first lens he used that worked w/ AF-C (was fast enough) mode.
If the hockey games are indoors, don't get the Tamron.

I'm itching to try HSM so I'll probably get a Sigma as well...just that those HSM failure reports are disturbing

RussellW · 03-31-2009, 06:36 PM

I use the 70-200 HSM version on the K20 and haven't found any issues taking motorsport photos. It's quick in focusing especially when I'm panning and taking bursts.

**dadipentak** · 03-31-2009, 08:20 PM

I've got the Sigma. It took some getting used to--the AF is busy so you have to pay attention and get the right shot. When you do, the IQ will blow you away. Noticeably soft wide open but good by 3.5 and dynamite sharp on up. Good bokeh & solid build. That said, I've heard very good reports on the Tamron, too.

cupic · 04-01-2009, 12:56 AM

Pick up my copy before christmas for under $AU1000 and I love it ,smooth fast silent but heavy,love it

cheers

03-31-2009, 08:11 AM	#1
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	any Sigma 70-200/2.8 HSM users? I'm back to looking for a 70-200/2.8 for my lens lineup and would like to add an HSM lens to it...have any owners of this lens had issues? I found a few somewhat disturbing site comments about it: CameraLensRentals.com - Camera Lens Rental for Canon, Nikon, and PENTAX Cameras Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM II Macro Lens Review The Tamron is the other alternative but it also supposedly has focus issues (random focusing sometimes) and is slower at focusing than the Sigma (though it probably won't break down and die like the Sigma :-)

03-31-2009, 09:34 AM	#2
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	im leaning toward the tamron myself, i've heard bad things about the HSM version and quality control of the sigma however the older non hsm version was better. http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/325-sigma-af-70-200mm...w--test-report review on nikon of the sigma and on the canon: http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/324-sigma-af-70-200mm-f28-ex-apo-hsm-dg-la...report--review here is a tamron review http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/tamron_70-200_2p8_c16/ Last edited by WerTicus; 03-31-2009 at 09:43 AM.

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Denis Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St-Albert, Alberta, Canada Posts: 330	I have the Sigma, the goods, fast and quiet focus, sharp, solid build, Constant 2.8 Full frame instant focus adjustment the bads heavy, some CA at 200mm The CA is minor and easily removed with software. Overall a very good lens. HSM is excellent. As for sharpness, it is hard for me to see the difference. Remember the number of factors involved in focusing. If your system is slightly off, camera sensor and selection, your eye... and many more. Best is to test it prior to purchase and make sure you can return it if not satisfied. Anything can break down but with a 10 year warranty, I feel fairly confident. As for the review which was written in the early release of this lens, I have not experienced these problems. He even admitted that the CA is present in Canon and Tamron lenses but not as bad. My experience is CA to be minor at the100 to 200mm setting. You may have to pay 3 times the price to reduce this effect slighly. You get what you pay for, perfection comes in at a high cost in optical performance. Something that bothers me in this review is the testing on Canon bodies. The Pentax version may not have the focus issues encountered. I use mine on a K10D and for the money I am very satified with the results.

03-31-2009, 10:44 AM	#4
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026 Original Poster	Originally posted by Denis with a 10 year warranty, I feel fairly confident Wow...they must provide a different warranty in Canada. In the US, it's only 4 yrs...

03-31-2009, 11:50 AM	#5
Denis Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St-Albert, Alberta, Canada Posts: 330	Originally posted by kenyee Wow...they must provide a different warranty in Canada. In the US, it's only 4 yrs... Yes, here's where I bought mine, warranty card say 10. http://www.donsphoto.com/products.html?catalog%5Bdecision_model_guids%5D%5B%...e%5D%5Bmax%5D= Pentax is 2 years.

03-31-2009, 12:21 PM	#6
palmor Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 798	I picked up one and ended up returning it for a couple of different reasons. First, I had the older non HSM/non Macro version and it was much sharper wide open then the new one. I just couldn't let that go . I also ran into the problem of it not focusing correctly at short distances (see the review of the lens at dpreview for details). John

03-31-2009, 05:00 PM	#7
mi2nc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NC Posts: 147	What is the difference between a macro and non-macro version of a lens?

03-31-2009, 05:19 PM	#8
Denis Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St-Albert, Alberta, Canada Posts: 330	Originally posted by palmor I picked up one and ended up returning it for a couple of different reasons. First, I had the older non HSM/non Macro version and it was much sharper wide open then the new one. I just couldn't let that go . I also ran into the problem of it not focusing correctly at short distances (see the review of the lens at dpreview for details). John I have not encountered any focusing problems even at shortest distance. I can not comment on sharpness at the wide open but my results are quite satisfactory.

03-31-2009, 05:30 PM	#9
SOldBear Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 3,206	Originally posted by mi2nc What is the difference between a macro and non-macro version of a lens? In general, a "non-macro" lens has minimal focusing distance about 10X focal length, e.g. 1 meter or 3 ft. for a 100mm lens. The maximum magnification ratio is about 1:8. A "macro" lens can focus much closer. For most "macro" zoom lenses, the magnification ratio of 1:4 is common. Some can even do 1:2. Note: I'm using the work "macro" with the loose usage commonly seen these days. Strictly speaking, "macro" means magnification ratio of at least 1:2.

03-31-2009, 05:50 PM	#10
mi2nc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NC Posts: 147	so I could use this to lens to shoot my kids hockey games?

03-31-2009, 06:09 PM	#11
joelovotti Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: US Photos: Albums Posts: 393	Go Sigma The only thing the Tamron can claim is a slight bump in IQ but I have no idea if you can see it anywhere other than a test chart. At least I'm not aware of Sigma users complaining about IQ. I'm sure not. What the Sigma does have: Great build quality Silent Focussing The action on the focus and zoom rings is silky smooth. I one finger the zoom on mine and never does it feel stiff or too loose. I get great pics from my copy and wouldn't trade it for anything. The look and feel of a lens is very important to me and the Sigma is a sexy lens. The biggest problem you'll have with the Tamron is the manual focussing. With the Sigma it is a instant shift from AF to manual Focus. Just give the focus ring the lightest touch and we are in manual focus. If you want to do the same with the tamron you have to engage the lens clutch by push-pulling the focus ring and then take your hand off the lens to shift to manual focus on the camera body. If you are the kind of photographer that likes to touch up focus the tamron would be a real pain. I'm obviously biased towards Sigma. I have the 70-200 and the 18-50 2.8 constant aperture lenses but I believe all the above to be true. What I should say is the finish on the Sigma lens is a love-it or hate-it thing so be sure to get your hands on both lenses before you buy. In the end it's personal. Except for the manual focus thing you couldn't go wrong either lens. Be well, joe

03-31-2009, 06:29 PM	#12
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026 Original Poster	Originally posted by mi2nc so I could use this to lens to shoot my kids hockey games? Yes, you'll have better luck shooting sports w/ the Sigma than the Tamron. Someone on DPR said the Sigma 70-200 HSM was the first lens he used that worked w/ AF-C (was fast enough) mode. If the hockey games are indoors, don't get the Tamron. I'm itching to try HSM so I'll probably get a Sigma as well...just that those HSM failure reports are disturbing

03-31-2009, 06:36 PM	#13
RussellW Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 198	I use the 70-200 HSM version on the K20 and haven't found any issues taking motorsport photos. It's quick in focusing especially when I'm panning and taking bursts.

03-31-2009, 08:20 PM	#14
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	I've got the Sigma. It took some getting used to--the AF is busy so you have to pay attention and get the right shot. When you do, the IQ will blow you away. Noticeably soft wide open but good by 3.5 and dynamite sharp on up. Good bokeh & solid build. That said, I've heard very good reports on the Tamron, too.

04-01-2009, 12:56 AM	#15
cupic Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia-NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,824	Pick up my copy before christmas for under $AU1000 and I love it ,smooth fast silent but heavy,love it cheers