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04-13-2009, 07:38 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by enoxatnep Quote
As full-frame technology eventually sinks below US $2,000, I can see them beginning to phase-out APS-C in favor of FF because that's what consumers will demand.
That's kind of like saying that compact cameras (or at least "bridge cameras") will be phased out because APS-C cameras will go down in price. In reality, there will always (ie, "for the foreseeable future") be a range of markets and price points, and APS-C will always be one of the options in that range. The price jump from compact to FF sensors will always be too big for there not to be an intermediate product. And (compared to compact cameras) APS-C gives you 80% of the capabilities of a FF camera for a lot less than 80% of the price, so it will always have a healthy market share.

If you really feel the need to be concerned about something, this isn't the thing to be concerned about. If I was looking for something to be worried about (which I'm not), the poor economy and the survival of niche camera companies would be a lot higher on my list than this.

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Unless pentax can squeeze 25MB onto APSC and not lose image quality. After all, camera bodies are now just very specialised computers. Smaller and more powerful is not a far stretch to achieve. Seems like "make the sensor bigger" is not that hard a solution in the megapixel race...


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It's already been discussed that 15mp is the sweet spot for APS-C sensors. That puts Pentax right on the money.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
It's already been discussed that 15mp is the sweet spot for APS-C sensors. That puts Pentax right on the money.
I have read those discussions (and didn't understand i lot if it ) but being in the computer biz i would have to say that :

15mp is the sweet spot for APS-C sensors at present.

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i'm not disillusioned cuz i've got everything that i want out of pentax
however, i can see why everyone else is pissed

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Yes, it seems the honeymoon is over. I've thought for a long time that Pentax was undervaluing their equipment, especially their lenses. I suspect that they'll bring prices down a bit from where they've put them, but get used to lenses being pricier.
The flip side of this is that they have no excuse to put shoddily built lenses on the market with this pricing.
Problems such as what we've seen with the 16-50 had better be a thing of the past.
For close to 1K, they had better be QC'ing each one before they ship.
At the risk of whipping a dead horse, it would be nice if they come up with a camera body to complement the new, higher lens pricing.

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Even C&N have made big investments in APS-C lenses. The format is not going away anytime soon. Medium format to me doesn't really come into the equation, because it's targeted towards a completely separate demographic.

I don't really know what else you need. Eventually they will stop cramming MP into an APS-C sensor and work more on improving the noise, eventually gaining on some of the high-ISO capabilities that full frame has. We've seen this technological progression already: the K20D performs better at high ISO than the K10D, even though it is higher resolution. Sure, it will always lag behind full frame at a given ISO, but give APS-C a couple of iterations and we'll be using ISO 3200 and 6400 without complaint.

Finally, if you need to blow it up bigger than 15mp gives you, well, you need to go pro. And you might want to consider Pentax' medium format lineup.
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Honestly this seals the deal with me. I wanted the da 12-24 and prodigital had a very good price. Now with the price hikes prodigital stopped offering most pentax items. I imagine they'll lose quite a bit of income from this. Last time I checked they had quite an enormous revenue amount.

Anyway, as much as I would want to love Pentax I have to say I am looking to invest my money in another brand. Other than the 12-24 I was planning to purchase a k20d and one or two limiteds. Too bad.
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QuoteOriginally posted by enoxatnep Quote
Anyhow, even though I personally don't need more than what the K20D and its APS-C successors will provide, I just don't want the day to arrive in only a few short years when APS-C falls out of favor and gets discontinued, and I get stuck with thousands of dollars of obsolete equipment that once appeared to be supported for the long term - even though Pentax is supposedly committed to the format right now.
Why do you think your APS-C lenses wouldn't work on a FF K-mount? Like Nikon you'll still be able to use them in crop mode. At least the effective focal length wouldn't change like FF lenses on APS-C. BTW most Canon APS-C lenses (EF-S) cannot be used on their FF cameras, once again they show little concern for compatiblity...

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Holy cow, Daniel, now that you mention it, prices are crazy! I know Henry's has a history of overpricing some of their stuff but...1.8K for 50-135mm is a LOT! LoL, I wonder who's gonna clean the dust off that box when someone who's actually willing to buy it at that price comes around.
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Holy cow, Daniel, now that you mention it, prices are crazy! I know Henry's has a history of overpricing some of their stuff but...1.8K for 50-135mm is a LOT! LoL, I wonder who's gonna clean the dust off that box when someone who's actually willing to buy it at that price comes around.
Wow, your prices have gone up! I thought the 50-135 had gone stratospheric when the price jumped to $1.6k here in Australia - and that price is inclusive of a 10 percent GST (Goods and Services Tax).
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Wow, your prices have gone up! I thought the 50-135 had gone stratospheric when the price jumped to $1.6k here in Australia - and that price is inclusive of a 10 percent GST (Goods and Services Tax).

Henry's price in Canada compared with that of B&H

50-135mm Can$1800 B&H US$749
K20D body only Can$1100
43mm Ltd Can$949 B&H US$459

Brumby,

The Canadian price I quoted excl of all tax . But these are list price and I would say most will be 10% off matching those of competition. And Can tax has to be added in as well. Absolutely pain.

The best time to buy stuff was at the time immediately after the huge/fast currency drop of Can$ (from 1.1 to 83 cents) & Aus$ in late last year. It took the retailers around 1 month to mark things up.

Good time is over


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At those prices for the 50-135 i'd rather have a bag of primes... like the 40mm LTD, 70mm LTD and non existant 100 or 135mm LTD But that's a whole different discussion.

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At those prices for the 50-135 i'd rather have a bag of primes... like the 40mm LTD, 70mm LTD and non existant 100 or 135mm LTD But that's a whole different discussion.

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The Limiteds went up in price as well, too... but nowhere near as much as the DA* 50-135. I think you can still get 3 limited prime lenses for the price of 1 DA*50-135.

But even some of the primes went up astronomically in price! The 43mm Limited used to be about $500 CDN. Now it's $900 CDN. ... ouch.
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Wasn't it so obvious that the massive discounting and clearing of inventory by retailers to raise cash during the Christmas 2008 year end shopping season was the time Pentax gear was the cheapest ever. Plus everyone had ample indication of an impending price hike when Pentax Japan announce an upward revision for their lenses. Yes the announced price hike is pretty stiff but I think it is pointless to rant about higher prices now when the writing was on the wall and those that chose not to capitalize on the never to be repeated price offers just a few months back will have to rue their luck for not acting to buy earlier.
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Wasn't it so obvious that the massive discounting and clearing of inventory by retailers to raise cash during the Christmas 2008 year end shopping season was the time Pentax gear was the cheapest ever. Plus everyone had ample indication of an impending price hike when Pentax Japan announce an upward revision for their lenses. Yes the announced price hike is pretty stiff but I think it is pointless to rant about higher prices now when the writing was on the wall and those that chose not to capitalize on the never to be repeated price offers just a few months back will have to rue their luck for not acting to buy earlier.
You're right for those of us who were contemplating buying a Pentax outfit when prices were good late last year, but what about everybody else?

Pentax had two BIG advantages over CaNikon. One was the availablility and the quality of prime glass. And the other was the price advantage of ALL Pentax glass. The first is still there but the second, at least outside the US, is all but gone.

Someone newly on the market for a DSLR is going to look at prices, of course. Pentax body is cheaper, Pentax glass is not.

And for those of us who are looking to get into a system, it's strange that while the price of Pentax glass has rocketed, the price of the K20D has not budged. It's all very well to assume that the big jump in lens prices is pointing to a new top level body, but there are no signs of one yet as far as I've seen.

The saving grace is, of course, that we can still buy the K20D (at least in Oz) for the same price (or maybe even a bit less) that we could late last year. And we can buy our glass new (or used from those who will ship worldwide) from the US. At least we can for the moment. In Australia, if an item is priced under $A 1k, there's usually no hassle with customs. Right now, $A 1k is about $US 720. That takes care of most of the lenses I'd be wanting to buy. Pretty well all of them if I can buy used from the US.

On that note, a diffident suggestions for Americans selling lenses on here. Your prices look a lot more tempting to people outside the US than they do to your fellow Americans. In this economic climate, offering to ship worldwide could well help your sale more than you may have considered. I've seen many deals on here I would have been sorely tempted to go for except for the dreaded "CONUS" clause.
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