Samsung Schneider 12-24mm f/4 ED AL D-Xenon

andrei46 · 05-27-2009, 02:02 AM

Hi!
Do somebody know something about this lens? Some experience/opinion? I don't find any review/test. Is it similar with Pentax 12-24? Thanx!
Regards!

tranthuy2002 · 05-27-2009, 02:13 AM

Hi!
I have a Samsung D-Xenon 12-24mm F4.
It's very good with Schneider glass.
Pls go to my flickr to view some images with this lens
Flickr: D.Q. Nguyen's Photostream

J2R · 05-27-2009, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by andrei46

Hi!
Do somebody know something about this lens? Some experience/opinion? I don't find any review/test. Is it similar with Pentax 12-24? Thanx!
Regards!

I wouldn't be surprised if it IS the Pentax 12-24, just with a different label on it. That's certainly the case with the 18-55 kit lens - Pentax lens, badged as a Schneider on the Samsung.

WerTicus · 05-27-2009, 03:01 AM

I believe its badge engineering at its finest. ie its the same lens as the pentax

Same with the 100mm macro.

rburgoss · 05-27-2009, 07:02 AM

I would bet is the same Pentax 12/24, that really is a Tokina...

It reminds me a bit of the auto industry... remember the Pontiac Lemans back from the 80's?, well, that car was built by Daewoo in Korea, but the original design and concept came from Opel in Germany... but everything under the GM umbrella....

Back to the lenses, I will suspect Schneider will not allow some "third party" product be labeled as Schneider, but since Samsung now owns Schneider, I guess they can use the label as they please...

flyer · 05-27-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by rburgoss

I would bet is the same Pentax 12/24, that really is a Tokina...

Are you sure it's a rebadge Tokina. I think the Tokina is a rebadge Pentax. It came out as a Pentax before it came out as a Tokina.

deadwolfbones · 05-27-2009, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by flyer

Are you sure it's a rebadge Tokina. I think the Tokina is a rebadge Pentax. It came out as a Pentax before it came out as a Tokina.

As far as I know they "collaborated" on the design, which probably means one funded and the other did the grunt work.

MrApollinax · 05-27-2009, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by rburgoss

Back to the lenses, I will suspect Schneider will not allow some "third party" product be labeled as Schneider, but since Samsung now owns Schneider, I guess they can use the label as they please...

The way I understand it as long as the lens meets certain specifications they will license the Schneider name for use on the lens. I'm pretty sure Pentax glass will more than meet those specifications

RBellavance · 05-27-2009, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

As far as I know they "collaborated" on the design, which probably means one funded and the other did the grunt work.

I read on DPReview that the 12-24 was actually a Tokina design, unlike the 16-50, 50-135 and other, which are joint designs.

robjmitchell · 05-28-2009, 05:26 AM

The samsung lenses are pentax lenses. I have the 50-200. Same coatings, quickshift ect.
Tokina share some designs with pentax but mechanicals, coatings and adjustments are different.

andrei46 · 05-28-2009, 09:42 PM

I also believe it's a rebranded Pentax.
Regards,

max11 · 05-29-2009, 02:59 PM

Are you saying that it is the same buying the Samsung or the Pentax 12-24?

Andi Lo · 05-29-2009, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by max11

Are you saying that it is the same buying the Samsung or the Pentax 12-24?

Pretty much; there's been alot of debates on whether the Samsung has SMC... from the samples I've seen (not much since it's not common) it seems like they are identical.

Oh and the samsung should have a somewhat lower value, due to it being samsung... Unless the buyer is some samsung purist (even rarer than the lens, lol)

Jewelltrail · 05-29-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Andi Lo: Unless the buyer is some samsung purist (even rarer than the lens, lol)

Now Andi--that is not polite--LOL, and very unlike you too. However, it is one of the few lens' names that might be safe to pick on at this forum.

max11 · 05-30-2009, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by Andi Lo

Pretty much; there's been alot of debates on whether the Samsung has SMC... from the samples I've seen (not much since it's not common) it seems like they are identical.

ah, I just bought the Pentax!

Hope it is better in someway!

05-27-2009, 02:02 AM	#1
andrei46 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Photos: Gallery Posts: 79	Samsung Schneider 12-24mm f/4 ED AL D-Xenon Hi! Do somebody know something about this lens? Some experience/opinion? I don't find any review/test. Is it similar with Pentax 12-24? Thanx! Regards!

05-28-2009, 09:42 PM	#11
andrei46 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Photos: Gallery Posts: 79 Original Poster	Thanx everybody for your answers! I also believe it's a rebranded Pentax. Regards,

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05-27-2009, 02:13 AM	#2
tranthuy2002 New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Viet Nam Posts: 17	Hi! I have a Samsung D-Xenon 12-24mm F4. It's very good with Schneider glass. Pls go to my flickr to view some images with this lens Flickr: D.Q. Nguyen's Photostream

05-27-2009, 02:59 AM	#3
J2R Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norwich, UK Posts: 43	Originally posted by andrei46 Hi! Do somebody know something about this lens? Some experience/opinion? I don't find any review/test. Is it similar with Pentax 12-24? Thanx! Regards! I wouldn't be surprised if it IS the Pentax 12-24, just with a different label on it. That's certainly the case with the 18-55 kit lens - Pentax lens, badged as a Schneider on the Samsung.

05-27-2009, 03:01 AM	#4
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	I believe its badge engineering at its finest. ie its the same lens as the pentax Same with the 100mm macro.

05-27-2009, 07:02 AM	#5
rburgoss Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, Costa Rica Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 972	I would bet is the same Pentax 12/24, that really is a Tokina... It reminds me a bit of the auto industry... remember the Pontiac Lemans back from the 80's?, well, that car was built by Daewoo in Korea, but the original design and concept came from Opel in Germany... but everything under the GM umbrella.... Back to the lenses, I will suspect Schneider will not allow some "third party" product be labeled as Schneider, but since Samsung now owns Schneider, I guess they can use the label as they please...

05-27-2009, 09:00 AM	#6
flyer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ste-Anne des Plaines, Qc., Canada Posts: 2,013	Originally posted by rburgoss I would bet is the same Pentax 12/24, that really is a Tokina... Are you sure it's a rebadge Tokina. I think the Tokina is a rebadge Pentax. It came out as a Pentax before it came out as a Tokina.

05-27-2009, 09:10 AM	#7
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Originally posted by flyer Are you sure it's a rebadge Tokina. I think the Tokina is a rebadge Pentax. It came out as a Pentax before it came out as a Tokina. As far as I know they "collaborated" on the design, which probably means one funded and the other did the grunt work.

05-27-2009, 09:16 AM	#8
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by rburgoss Back to the lenses, I will suspect Schneider will not allow some "third party" product be labeled as Schneider, but since Samsung now owns Schneider, I guess they can use the label as they please... The way I understand it as long as the lens meets certain specifications they will license the Schneider name for use on the lens. I'm pretty sure Pentax glass will more than meet those specifications

05-27-2009, 09:46 AM	#9
RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by deadwolfbones As far as I know they "collaborated" on the design, which probably means one funded and the other did the grunt work. I read on DPReview that the 12-24 was actually a Tokina design, unlike the 16-50, 50-135 and other, which are joint designs.

05-28-2009, 05:26 AM	#10
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	The samsung lenses are pentax lenses. I have the 50-200. Same coatings, quickshift ect. Tokina share some designs with pentax but mechanicals, coatings and adjustments are different.

05-29-2009, 02:59 PM	#12
max11 Inactive Account Join Date: May 2009 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 28	Are you saying that it is the same buying the Samsung or the Pentax 12-24?

05-29-2009, 09:31 PM	#13
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Originally posted by max11 Are you saying that it is the same buying the Samsung or the Pentax 12-24? Pretty much; there's been alot of debates on whether the Samsung has SMC... from the samples I've seen (not much since it's not common) it seems like they are identical. Oh and the samsung should have a somewhat lower value, due to it being samsung... Unless the buyer is some samsung purist (even rarer than the lens, lol)

05-29-2009, 10:40 PM	#14
Jewelltrail Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rhode Island Photos: Albums Posts: 4,180	Quote: Andi Lo: Unless the buyer is some samsung purist (even rarer than the lens, lol) Now Andi--that is not polite--LOL, and very unlike you too. However, it is one of the few lens' names that might be safe to pick on at this forum.

05-30-2009, 02:09 AM	#15
max11 Inactive Account Join Date: May 2009 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 28	Originally posted by Andi Lo Pretty much; there's been alot of debates on whether the Samsung has SMC... from the samples I've seen (not much since it's not common) it seems like they are identical. ah, I just bought the Pentax! Hope it is better in someway!