....Can't believe this.... Is the guy on here?

George Lama · 08-10-2009, 09:32 PM

How about verifying the authenticity of this lens using the SN? It's on one of the photos - SN 5567321.

LeDave · 08-10-2009, 10:20 PM

That's so sad. I can't believe PayPal would do such a thing and let such a thing happen. I would cry if that were me. Hope all goes well for that dude.

little laker · 08-10-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by LeDave

That's so sad. I can't believe PayPal would do such a thing and let such a thing happen. I would cry if that were me. Hope all goes well for that dude.

In my opinion PayPal is only interested in one thing. That being Your Money
If you google up PayPal nightmares you'll find more than you could possibly imagine.

jslifoaw · 08-11-2009, 07:00 AM

out of curiosity, what happens if you withdraw your money once you're paid? Surely paypal cannot reach into your bank account/cc without permission first? I've been fortunate to not have to run into that situation, but I wonder if anybody has some thoughts about that. I feel that as long as your paypal account is empty, nothing can happen to you? At worst, you run away and let your account die?

Leaf Fan · 08-11-2009, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by jslifoaw

out of curiosity, what happens if you withdraw your money once you're paid? Surely paypal cannot reach into your bank account/cc without permission first? I've been fortunate to not have to run into that situation, but I wonder if anybody has some thoughts about that. I feel that as long as your paypal account is empty, nothing can happen to you? At worst, you run away and let your account die?

Yes they can. It's part of your agreement to use their services. If your bank account doesn't have enough funds to cover the "refund" then they'll hit your cc. I'm sure there's some legal arguments buried in the hundreds of pages everybody clicks "I Agree" to. I got burned this way once when a seller cancelled his Visa transaction once I had shipped the item, Paypal took the money out of my account. I fought it but it never amounted to anything. Luckily it wasn't a large amount.

jslifoaw · 08-11-2009, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Leaf Fan

Yes they can. It's part of your agreement to use their services. If your bank account doesn't have enough funds to cover the "refund" then they'll hit your cc. I'm sure there's some legal arguments buried in the hundreds of pages everybody clicks "I Agree" to. I got burned this way once when a seller cancelled his Visa transaction once I had shipped the item, Paypal took the money out of my account. I fought it but it never amounted to anything. Luckily it wasn't a large amount.

Interesting. Surely if paypal can be an ass about it, we can too? Like either disconnecting our CCs from our accounts or calling our bank/cc company to make sure they red flag paypal transactions and block them off? It is interesting how far paypal would consider taking things after that.

In fact, after buying two lenses online using my cc, my cc company actually called me to verify that it was me who was buying, so I think they're inclined to support their cardholders quite well w.r.t. online issues.

Sometimes being Canadian about things means tough luck

*understandably this could lead to abuse, but that is perhaps a consequence of the inherently flawed system.

Peter Zack · 08-11-2009, 08:58 AM

Leaf Fan is right and I know a member here that had a large deal (across borders) done through Paypal (unrelated to photography). It was about the same value as this. He had all the documentation and the buyer tried to rip him off (cliamed it never arrived even though it was signed for) Paypal ignored his proof and gave the guy a full refund. So he sued them and won. It cost Paypal a lot more than the refund to defend and reimburse the seller.

So to me this is just too fishy. There's no way I'd let this die and not take PP to small claims court or something to get the money back. The guy is in the US so they would have to appear to defend the action and if they didn't he'd win anyway.

Blue · 08-11-2009, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Frogroast

How about verifying the authenticity of this lens using the SN? It's on one of the photos - SN 5567321.

I'm not sure if there is a way to trace the SN without having Pentax do it on that particular lens. I'm wondering if they would even put a real sn on a dumby demo unit.

VaSA · 08-11-2009, 09:36 AM

Did you guys notice, that in the links in the first two posts lead to 2 different auctions. One has a sell price of 200$, the other of 255$. I wonder how many times this guy got scammed like that

lunelson · 08-11-2009, 01:12 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking the guy running the auction is the one with the scam, albeit a somewhat minor one since he is accurately representing the item he sold, just with a fake sob story to drive bids.

**Kerrowdown** · 08-11-2009, 04:06 PM

I'm starting to smell a rat here somewhere.

Blue · 08-11-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by VaSA

Did you guys notice, that in the links in the first two posts lead to 2 different auctions. One has a sell price of 200$, the other of 255$. I wonder how many times this guy got scammed like that

He also has a 100% rating and 2386. I would expect someone with a rating like that to be safe.

emr · 08-12-2009, 05:52 AM

Guys, hold your horses. The latter Ebay page clearly states that

Quote:

I sold this lens about a month ago but the buery from Asia decided that he did not want it after all and it was never shipped to him. If you choose to bid on it PLEASE HONOR YOUR COMMITMENT.

So there seems to be a valid reason for the item being FS twice.

cps_goodbuy · 08-12-2009, 08:50 AM

just got back to this thread and

didn't you guys read the thing properly?

ivoire · 08-12-2009, 12:18 PM

this was up for sale previously with the same story. no way of knowing if it is true. why advertise your misfortune in a sale? especially with the volume of biz that is noted.... smells funny

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08-10-2009, 09:32 PM	#16
George Lama Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo/Rochester, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,133	How about verifying the authenticity of this lens using the SN? It's on one of the photos - SN 5567321.

08-10-2009, 10:20 PM	#17
LeDave Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minneapolis - St. Paul Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,067	That's so sad. I can't believe PayPal would do such a thing and let such a thing happen. I would cry if that were me. Hope all goes well for that dude.

08-10-2009, 11:05 PM	#18
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	Originally posted by LeDave That's so sad. I can't believe PayPal would do such a thing and let such a thing happen. I would cry if that were me. Hope all goes well for that dude. In my opinion PayPal is only interested in one thing. That being Your Money If you google up PayPal nightmares you'll find more than you could possibly imagine.

08-11-2009, 07:00 AM	#19
jslifoaw Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto/Victoria Posts: 460	out of curiosity, what happens if you withdraw your money once you're paid? Surely paypal cannot reach into your bank account/cc without permission first? I've been fortunate to not have to run into that situation, but I wonder if anybody has some thoughts about that. I feel that as long as your paypal account is empty, nothing can happen to you? At worst, you run away and let your account die?

08-11-2009, 07:06 AM	#20
Leaf Fan Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada eh! Photos: Gallery Posts: 673	Originally posted by jslifoaw out of curiosity, what happens if you withdraw your money once you're paid? Surely paypal cannot reach into your bank account/cc without permission first? I've been fortunate to not have to run into that situation, but I wonder if anybody has some thoughts about that. I feel that as long as your paypal account is empty, nothing can happen to you? At worst, you run away and let your account die? Yes they can. It's part of your agreement to use their services. If your bank account doesn't have enough funds to cover the "refund" then they'll hit your cc. I'm sure there's some legal arguments buried in the hundreds of pages everybody clicks "I Agree" to. I got burned this way once when a seller cancelled his Visa transaction once I had shipped the item, Paypal took the money out of my account. I fought it but it never amounted to anything. Luckily it wasn't a large amount.

08-11-2009, 07:11 AM	#21
jslifoaw Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto/Victoria Posts: 460	Originally posted by Leaf Fan Yes they can. It's part of your agreement to use their services. If your bank account doesn't have enough funds to cover the "refund" then they'll hit your cc. I'm sure there's some legal arguments buried in the hundreds of pages everybody clicks "I Agree" to. I got burned this way once when a seller cancelled his Visa transaction once I had shipped the item, Paypal took the money out of my account. I fought it but it never amounted to anything. Luckily it wasn't a large amount. Interesting. Surely if paypal can be an ass about it, we can too? Like either disconnecting our CCs from our accounts or calling our bank/cc company to make sure they red flag paypal transactions and block them off? It is interesting how far paypal would consider taking things after that. In fact, after buying two lenses online using my cc, my cc company actually called me to verify that it was me who was buying, so I think they're inclined to support their cardholders quite well w.r.t. online issues. Sometimes being Canadian about things means tough luck *understandably this could lead to abuse, but that is perhaps a consequence of the inherently flawed system.

08-11-2009, 08:58 AM	#22
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Leaf Fan is right and I know a member here that had a large deal (across borders) done through Paypal (unrelated to photography). It was about the same value as this. He had all the documentation and the buyer tried to rip him off (cliamed it never arrived even though it was signed for) Paypal ignored his proof and gave the guy a full refund. So he sued them and won. It cost Paypal a lot more than the refund to defend and reimburse the seller. So to me this is just too fishy. There's no way I'd let this die and not take PP to small claims court or something to get the money back. The guy is in the US so they would have to appear to defend the action and if they didn't he'd win anyway.

08-11-2009, 09:27 AM	#23
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Frogroast How about verifying the authenticity of this lens using the SN? It's on one of the photos - SN 5567321. I'm not sure if there is a way to trace the SN without having Pentax do it on that particular lens. I'm wondering if they would even put a real sn on a dumby demo unit.

08-11-2009, 09:36 AM	#24
VaSA Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 173	Did you guys notice, that in the links in the first two posts lead to 2 different auctions. One has a sell price of 200$, the other of 255$. I wonder how many times this guy got scammed like that

08-11-2009, 01:12 PM	#25
lunelson Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 80	Yeah, I'm thinking the guy running the auction is the one with the scam, albeit a somewhat minor one since he is accurately representing the item he sold, just with a fake sob story to drive bids.

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08-11-2009, 04:06 PM	#26
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,814	I'm starting to smell a rat here somewhere.

08-11-2009, 05:14 PM	#27
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by VaSA Did you guys notice, that in the links in the first two posts lead to 2 different auctions. One has a sell price of 200$, the other of 255$. I wonder how many times this guy got scammed like that He also has a 100% rating and 2386. I would expect someone with a rating like that to be safe.

08-12-2009, 05:52 AM	#28
emr Guest	Guys, hold your horses. The latter Ebay page clearly states that Quote: I sold this lens about a month ago but the buery from Asia decided that he did not want it after all and it was never shipped to him. If you choose to bid on it PLEASE HONOR YOUR COMMITMENT. So there seems to be a valid reason for the item being FS twice.

08-12-2009, 08:50 AM	#29
cps_goodbuy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ireland Posts: 291 Original Poster	just got back to this thread and didn't you guys read the thing properly?

08-12-2009, 12:18 PM	#30
ivoire Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,381	this was up for sale previously with the same story. no way of knowing if it is true. why advertise your misfortune in a sale? especially with the volume of biz that is noted.... smells funny