Originally posted by Aristophanes That's the part I don't get.
What you want is higher ISO with less noise.
No,
one way of getting what I want is better image quality at higher sensitivities. I would love to dial in 3200 or 6400 ISO without worrying over noise. However, it seems the only way that is going to happen is with a very expensive, system-crossing upgrade. I've got my hands full with the K-mount.
Incidentally, I don't spend all of my time in underground clubs lit with a single 40W bulb. If that's all that mattered to me, I probably would have a 5D and the 50/1.2 by now. But crappy lighting is something I encounter often enough that I keep my eye out for good deals on fast lenses.
Originally posted by Aristophanes What you're getting with faster lenses is actually less resolution because your DOF is so shallow all but a person's tip of their nose is OOF. That's a very shallow perspective, and in the aesthetics of photography, a very limiting technique, unless you want all your shots to look very similar, (and similar to everyone else), with a lot of softness on the edges.
I'm fully aware of this. My first lenses were M42s mounted to the K100D. Weak viewfinder + hazy 50/1.4 = steep learning curve. I learned to accept a certain number of missed shots due to focus errors. My point - which no one else is required to share - is that I'd rather deal with focus problems than hopelessly slow shutter speeds. Also, since most of these shots are for informal friend consumption, I don't really care if I'm pulling the best detail out of the scene...I just want the shot. My preferences push me away from 3200+ ISOs because getting rid of the noise to my satisfaction is annoying enough to aim for another solution.
Originally posted by Aristophanes Stops is not the same thing as aperture. What you give up going from f/2.8 to f/1.2 is perspective.
If I'm getting 1/8th of second at 1600 ISO on a lens set to 1.7, I'm not even going to bother with a lens that maxes out at 2.8.
My F 50/1.7 (my current fastest lens) gives me the same perspective as a future A 50/1.2 will. Fewer things will be in focus, but we're already talking about thin DOF in these situations anyway.
50mm @ 1.7 shot at 10 feet = 0.81 feet of DOF
50mm @ 1.2 shot at 10 feet = 0.57 feet of DOF
In these situations, I've already given up on autofocus unless I'm lucky and the subject moves into brighter light for a moment. It isn't about blurring the foreground or the background for me. It's about getting close to a reasonable shutter speed without having to spend additional time dealing with noise reduction.