Originally posted by Aditya Panda Only the 300mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4.5 are available and that too without HSM. I just pray that Sigma doesn't discontinue even these. Until recently, even budget 500mm zooms like the famous Sigma 150-500mm were unavailable in Pentax mount. Neither Tamron nor Sigma makes a full line of Pentax-compatible teleconverters and the famous Tamron 200-500mm zoom isn't available with the K-mount.
The point is, if the brand itself is most uninterested in a particular genre of photography- wildlife, action and sport in this case- third party lens makers too will lose interest. And honestly, who wants third party lenses? None of us would buy them without financial compulsions or availability issues. I seriously believe that with its history for tough, capable, ultra high quality and yet affordable equipment, if Pentax makes a comeback in the wildlife-sports scenario, its going to be hard to beat by the others.
Hi Aditya,
I think that you unwittingly make the point against your argument. If the 3rd party lens mfgs are unwilling to step in and fill the void in Pentax's long lens lineup when all they'd have to do is put a relatively small investment in time, effort, and development money into adapting a K-mount to already proven optical and mechanical lens designs, then there seems to be a consensus across the board that there isn't a market for the high ticket more specialized models.
Take a quick look at any Pentax forum on the web. For Pentax shooters, at least for those who participate in such fora, landscape, portrait, macro, architectural, and street photography posts outnumber wildlife, birds, and action/sports by 50:1 if not a lot more. A recent poll done on this forum showed, IIRC, bird shots as the most disliked genre by a wide margin. The great majority of the small minority of DSLR shooters who shoot Pentax will never own anything over 200mm in a premium lens, and a great majority of those will probably never consider anything over 100mm (or maybe even 50mm) as their primary lens. As a long-time Pentax DSLR bird shooter, I've accepted this a long time ago. I'm actually surprised at the number of DA*300/4s that have apparently been sold.
. . . but a $1K easily hand-holdable 300mm lens is a much different beast than anything even a little longer at the same speed. Add 100mm @f4, and you'd have a 112mm front element, and the weight goes from just over 2 lbs to probably well over 7lbs (my FA*300/2.8, with its 112mm front element, weighs in at 6 lbs, 10 oz ready to shoot, but without the lens plate for my Sidekick -- much more than either my Tamron SP300/2.8 or my Sigma EX 300/2.8 APO).
The last MSRP for the FA*300/2.8 was $6067 USD, with a "street" price of $4700 USD. There have been significant price increases in the meantime, so I'd think a realistic street price expectation for the rumored vaporware DA*400/4 would be $5500-6000 USD. -- and the usual (shall I say "frugal"
) Pentaxian response would probably be "but the Sigma EX 500/4.5 is only 1/3 stop slower and 100mm longer, weighs the same, and is going for $4200. . ." -- and then he/she would buy a Bigma. . .
I find Pentax bodies perform well for me, and I really like the more film-like IQ which these bodies produce as opposed to other brands, but I don't have to make a living at this, nor do I have to produce results on demand. If I did, I probably would have gone with a C or N Pro level body (1D. . . or D3. . .) a long time ago. It would have been for a lot of relatively subtle reasons -- not only the oft stated brute AF speed or Frame Rate, but the more discrete AF sensor areas and more sophisticated AF C algorithms, plus the Pro Services support and availability of rentals for the really specialized stuff.
I've looked at your PPG gallery, and it's impressive. I fully understand your desire for some fast super tele options from Pentax. I just don't think you're being realistic in actually expecting them to materialize. Only a small minority of Pentax shooters would be interested at all in these, and of this group, only a very small minority would actually buy them if they were introduced.
IMO, the fabled "super tele" that is projected, is probably going to be a revamped FA*400/5.6 with WR, and SDM, @ $1400-1800 street or we might get a surprise and see a 400/5 or 400/4.5. . .
Quote: A DA* 500mm f/4 would most probably be priced somewhere around the $4-5000 mark. Remember that Pentax can afford to make it cheaper than Canikon simply because unlike Canikon this lens wont require an in built stabilising mechanism. Also, its going to be physically smaller since it'll be a DA* with an APS-C sized image circle.
If APS-C designed lenses can be made smaller, then why would the DA*300/4 be larger and heavier than the FF designed A*300/4? . . . or even better, why is the Oly 300/2.8 -- designed for the smaller than APS-C 4/3 mount even bigger and heavier (7.1 lbs) than the FF designed FA*300/2.8.
The economies of scale, with much larger sales projected for either Canon or Nikon would argue against a Pentax offering being less expensive to produce. If nothing else, the last MSRP that I quoted for the FA*300/2.8 would indicate that a DA*500/4 under $7500 would be an unrealistic expectation.
just my 2¢
Scott