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09-15-2009, 11:25 AM   #16
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I LOVE LOVE LOVE the images I've seen from the "white" 200mm f/2 IS L. I've even found a way to afford one. It involves selling off a high end acoustic guitar (Santa Cruz OM/PW) and some lenses. Haven't done it, but it's mighty tempting

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QuoteOriginally posted by hinman Quote
If you feel compelled with the 200mm f/1.8 that we can't have, buy a copy of DA* 50-135mm f/2.8 and be content with the f/2.8 that we can afford. How much is that 200mm f/1.8? Any ballpark figure?

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The Canon 200mm f/1.8 is discontinued, but used copies go for ~$3-4,000.

Your best bet is to buy a NEW 200mm f/2 IS for around $5K...

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09-15-2009, 11:29 AM   #18
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QuoteOriginally posted by egordon99 Quote
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the images I've seen from the "white" 200mm f/2 IS L. I've even found a way to afford one. It involves selling off a high end acoustic guitar (Santa Cruz OM/PW) and some lenses. Haven't done it, but it's mighty tempting
I actually don't lust for the high end stuff in Canon. I am more impressed with the affordable Canon 70-200mm f/4.0 L lens. It is an amazingly small zoom and lightweight. With discount in amazon, I see it around $600. And our Pentax lens line up is lacking the range from 70-200mm, we always have to settle for the 3rd party ones with Sigma and Tamron. Not that the 3rd party is bad, but I like choices with Pentax glass.

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QuoteOriginally posted by hinman Quote
How much is that 200mm f/1.8? Any ballpark figure?

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I googled it up, and if you can find one it might be in the $4000 - $5000 range. Which really isn't that bad for something that will last your lifetime

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QuoteOriginally posted by hinman Quote
I actually don't lust for the high end stuff in Canon. I am more impressed with the affordable Canon 70-200mm f/4.0 L lens. It is an amazingly small zoom and lightweight. With discount in amazon, I see it around $600. And our Pentax lens line up is lacking the range from 70-200mm, we always have to settle for the 3rd party ones with Sigma and Tamron. Not that the 3rd party is bad, but I like choices with Pentax glass.

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I have the 70-200mm f/4 IS, and it's an awesome lens! Very compact too (compared to the f/2.8 version )
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It was absolutely the perfect length for what this guy was using it for. He was taking shots of Celebs / CEO's on a stage during their presentations. That is what worked in my eyes, even at the 200mm tele length the subjects popped out of the smooth blurred background.

My guess is that is what he uses this for most of the time.

But you are right it is not long enough for wildlife. And I would hate to hall it though the brush!
How heavy is the lens? I would guess quite heavy. And what Canon body does the person let you try it on?

For $4K price range, I see a K-7 with a DA* 50-135mm, DA* 16-50 and a choice of (DA* 200mm|300mm f/2.8. Yes, the f/1.8 is special and I think I understand that. But the 4K package that I list here is hopefully a realistic contender.

And for a heavy lens, you can use the change to buy a $250 black lens that is not quite as rare but has character


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Bokeh... I finally understand

Unfortunately it was white... but I think I finally get what the hub-bub is all about.
White bokeh...my favourite!!!!

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Of course, according to the DOFMaster calculator, you'll get the same DOF with your purchase of the DA* 300 - you'll just have to stand farther away from your subject, and you'll get more telephoto compression from the longer lens... You should shoot my 400/4 sometime - it's got roughly half the DOF of the 200/1.8 (according to the calculator) .

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QuoteOriginally posted by heliphoto Quote
Of course, according to the DOFMaster calculator, you'll get the same DOF with your purchase of the DA* 300 - you'll just have to stand farther away from your subject, and you'll get more telephoto compression from the longer lens... You should shoot my 400/4 sometime - it's got roughly half the DOF of the 200/1.8 (according to the calculator) .
I think you are wrong. The 300/4 and 200/1.8 have about the same DOF on the same format at the same subject distance. But you'll need to back up with the 300/4 to get the same field of view, so you'll gain some DOF in doing that. Also, Canon users have FF DSLR to use, which will even further reduce the DOF with the 200/1.8 for an equivalent field of view when compared to the 300/4 on APS-C.
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QuoteOriginally posted by arpaagent Quote
I think you are wrong. The 300/4 and 200/1.8 have about the same DOF on the same format at the same subject distance. But you'll need to back up with the 300/4 to get the same field of view, so you'll gain some DOF in doing that. Also, Canon users have FF DSLR to use, which will even further reduce the DOF with the 200/1.8 for an equivalent field of view when compared to the 300/4 on APS-C.
Oh, good point!

Never mind!...

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200/1.8 is pretty sweet, but isn't it one of the lenses Canon has quit offering repair services on?
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200 1.8?


i wonder is that a pancake limited too ..?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
I prefer 135mm lenses on film cameras for that sort of thing, Pentax is one of the few to ever make the A*135mm f/1.8 and it's a lens I really enjoy using on film cameras.. I don't use 135mm lenses on digital because that's the 200mm "dead zone" for me photographically speaking. for me, 135mm lenses (especially ones made by pentax) are REALLY good performers(there are a few bad eggs though). The FA77 comes close to this focal length but it just doesn't "feel" like a 135mm lens to me,(probably because it's 115mm on 1.5 format DSLRs) I never got the point of 105mm lenses. the FOV of the DA 70 just didn't do it for me.
So could you see Pentax offering a 90mm f1.8 ...would be a great lens for theater work. I currently use my 50-135 f2.8 for that, but would love a 90mm f1.8. Add a 24mm F1.8 and along with the 55 f1.4 this would make a great treesome for available light work.

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QuoteQuote:
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So could you see Pentax offering a 90mm f1.8 ...would be a great lens for theater work. I currently use my 50-135 f2.8 for that, but would love a 90mm f1.8. Add a 24mm F1.8 and along with the 55 f1.4 this would make a great treesome for available light work.
I assume you'd do the low light stuff with manual focus - leaving the gates wide open for any of the 85mm lenses for reasonable money (obviously the faster the less reasonable).

Wide angle theater lenses I have never used, but would go with one of the good 28/2.8 lenses.

Coming to the long lens, I think Hinman's football lens is just right for usage straight from f/2.8 (mtf data for this lens proves this). It's called a bokeh master also, worth a try I think. To date I can't post full open portraits from it but am confident it would do eqally well.


Hin's football lens on K100D, minimal PP, ca. f/5.6

Best, Georg (the other)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mystic Quote
Flickr: The 200mm f 1.8 Pool

this is a flickr group of that lens.. check it out.. there are lots of pics, taken with this lens..

i liked this one

Train Conductor on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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Some very nice shots there, but frankly I detect either some softness or simply missed focus on a lot of those - I personally wouldn't consider those shots as representative of what's supposed to be a pretty sharp lens.

Nikon has a 200 f/2 that's probably about the same size & cost of that Canon 1.8 - nice to own, not nice to buy! (or carry.)
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