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09-19-2009, 08:22 AM   #16
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Why not consider DA 14? Bit faster than DA 15, bit wider and definitely great creative tool for its close focus as well.

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I have both the Sigma 10-20 and the DA-21. I also have the Tamron 18-250 in that range.

I've been a member of a 70 member photo club for the last 2 years and have been selling framed photos at a local tourist shop for 18 months.

I've sold 2 copies of a bridge picture taken at 20mm, but most of the sales have been at 50mm to 135mm. Also, i get some photo club comments for images below 20mm, but very few compared to those at higher FL.

This is all by way of saying that I now do value the DA-21 as typical of the widest i need to go. I've been using the DA-21 a fair amount in the last month and am much more likely to have it along than the 10-20. I only bring the 10-20 if i will be shooting indoors.

I would vote for the DA-21 over the DA 14 or 15.
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Depending on the camera you have chosen, the distortion that concerns you may not be an issue. The K-7 will distortion correct any of the lenses you cite. It's also a pretty easy fix in post processing, can be automated and honestly, so far I haven't had any issues with distortion from the 21. Having said that, I do most of my wide stuff in the wild, I don't spend a lot of time downtown.

Anyway, I went through more or less exactly what you went through, though I had the benefit of some manual focus lenses to help me along.
I already had an A20/2.8 and A24/2.8 when digital came into my life, and I discovered that like the 28mm focal length on film, I wasn't really enamoured with the 20 on digital (very similar FOV). At the same time, I found that more and more, my shooting style was evolving into the very field of view that didn't work for me on film, so I ended up buying a 21mm lens to get the benefits of autofocus and the better IQ of the newer glass (the 20 is a good lens, but falls a little short on digital).
However, what I realy wanted was something that would give me a similar field of view on digital that the A24/2.8 gave me on film. At the time, about the only option out there was the A15/3.5, so I ended up having one built for me (I figure they did it given the lead time from ordering to delivery).
Not such a great lens on digital, and it's big, but it was the best that was out there at the time.
When the 14/2.8 was released I bought one immediately to gain the benefit of AF and the IQ increase that the 14 would give.
It is a better lens on digital than the A15, but it is also just as big (not as heavy) as the A15.
Along the way I also picked up a 12-24 (good lens, but also a horse) and the fisheye zoom, whtever FL it is.
The 12-24 is also huge.
I like compact lenses. One of the things that drew me to Pentax in the first place was the M series lenses like the 40/2.8, 50/1.4 and 85/2. Good lenses, and seemingly half the size of similar lenses from Nikon or Canon.
I never fell in love with the 12-24, 14/2.8 or the A15/3.5. While they are all good lenses, they don't fit my photography style. I like primes more than zooms, and I like to carry as many as a dozen in my bag, and will put 4 or 5 in vest pockets when I am out for a walk.
Big lenses don't cut it for this sort of thing.
I couldn't have been happier when the 15/4 was released. It is a reasonably compact lens, matched very closely to the field of view of the 24mm, and it is a very good imager as well.
I sold my 14/2.8 to help finance the 15/4. In all the time I had the 14, I shot less than 75 pictures with it, all because I didn't like dealing with the size of it.
Both it and the 12-24 turned into special purpose lenses for me, only being taken with me when I knew they would be needed.
Considering that the A24mm was almost my default goto lens in the field, this was a sea change in my photography style, and was dictated not by a shift in interest, but rather a dislike of the equipment.
I've had the 15 for a while now, and can attest that it is a very good little lens, and it is easy to carry and use.
It also has a really cool lens cap, but all the Limiteds do.
I'm not sure if I could live without the 21, I get a surprising amout of use out of it, but at this point, I know I need the 15.

If size isn't an issue for you, the 12-24 is a very good choice. It has few bad habits and is very sharp.
It's the same speed as the 15, and only slightly slower than the 21.
For me, the 14/2.8 is a bit like the ugly girl at the prom. She may be a good dancer, but you don't really want to get that close.

If, like me, you just prefer primes, the combination of the 15mm and 21mm LTD lenses can't be beat.

Hope this helps.
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I have the K20D. I shoot almost exclusively with no flash and no tripod. Most of the time handheld results in great images - due to the SR and a fast shutter speed. When indoors I typically am shooting family or friends with the DA40 and don't mind shooting at f/2.8 to get some nice bokeh in the background.

When I am outside, I am almost always shooting landscapes. Therefore, I am usually shooting f/8 or more (so a really fast lens isn't really necessary).

My main concern involves the FOV between the DA15 and DA21. I know what 21mm looks like, as I have the DA17-70. But I don't really know what 15mm looks like. I do know that even 1 or 2mm at this range makes a HUGE difference. But I have never actually looked through a viewfinder with this focal length. I have thought about using cameralensrentals.com to try one or both of them out - but then I am out $$$ that I could use towards the lens (I know you can purchase them from the company after you rent them, but I am afraid that their price will be too high for a used lens as they will not give me an upfront price for purchase OR that the lens will have too many cosmetic defects and I won't want to purchase it). I have been on tamron.com and used the focal length simulator, but this doesn't really give me that great of an idea of what it will really look like.

I have ruled out the 12-24 due to its size. I know it takes excellent pictures - but if I never take it out due to size/weight, this is a moot point.

Ideally, I would be able to buy both the 15 and 21, but current funds do not allow for this option. If I do opt for one, I will likely sell the 17-70.

So I guess another question: is the image quality of the 15 and 21 the same or better than the 17-70?

If it is, I would love to get a more lightweight option. But if it is not, then maybe I'll rough it with the 17-70 for awhile. IMO the 17-70 takes very fine images - I just don't like the size/weight.

Assuming that the IQ is the same or better, then I need to figure out what focal length is right. Again, still a really tough call...

Everyone has given great advice - I am kinda back on the fence, but still slightly leaning towards the DA15, because it seems like most of the time I can zoom with my feet, but lots of times I cannot get far enough away...

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Have you considered the 14mm as well? Cheaper than both.
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My understanding is that the 14mm is as big, or nearly as big as the 12-24. One of my primary concerns is small size and weight (one of the major reasons I switched from Canon). I believe I have considered every other option, now I just need to decide if I should get the DA15 or the DA21 - and if I do get one - whether I should sell my 17-70...
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QuoteOriginally posted by jct us101 Quote
Have you considered the 14mm as well? Cheaper than both.
Are you referring to the Pentax 14mm f2.8? The cheapest I see it is on Ebay for $530. The cheapest I see the 21mm is also on Ebay for $430. The cheapest 15mm I see is at Adorama for $535.

So, the cheapest I is the 21mm. Just looking at BH and Adorama this is also true ($510), though significantly higher than Ebay.

15mm vs 14mm the 14mm is only a tiny bit cheaper.

The boggling thing is the 14mm is a whopping $715 at Adorama and BH, while the 21mm and 15mm are as low as $510 and $535 respectively. On Ebay the 21mm drops to $430, but the 15mm jumps to $650.

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I am considering the 15 or 21 mm . I want to replace my 16-50 with the 15 or 21 and the 40 mm.
I've checked my focal lengths and find that most of my shots are at either end 16 mm or 50 mm. Though I find shots at 35 and 40 mm I find very few between 20 and 30. So for me it would be the 15 mm.
I don't think 15 is for "extreme landscapes". I take wide angle close up portraits, shoot up into trees, and urban scapes like signs and cars and I don't find 16 mm to be super wide.
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QuoteOriginally posted by guygharvey Quote
I am considering the 15 or 21 mm . I want to replace my 16-50 with the 15 or 21 and the 40 mm.
I've checked my focal lengths and find that most of my shots are at either end 16 mm or 50 mm. Though I find shots at 35 and 40 mm I find very few between 20 and 30. So for me it would be the 15 mm.
I don't think 15 is for "extreme landscapes". I take wide angle close up portraits, shoot up into trees, and urban scapes like signs and cars and I don't find 16 mm to be super wide.
You have your answer then, buy the DA15.
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I have the DA40 and DA15 along with some longer lenses ... I'm very happy as the DA15 allows for more dramatic perspective that I enjoy shooting.
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I have the 21 and the samyang 14/2.8. I got the combo for the price of a da12-24. The 21 is great for full body shots of my daughter and the Sammy is very sharp wide open. The speed has helped me for indoor shots.
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How about trying to find a Pentax FA 20-35 f/4. I also have a DA 16-45 but the compact size of the 20-35 is so nice that I leave the 16-45 at home when I want a small kit. I really don't miss 16 or 45 (probably because I usually take a film body as well). For the long end, the DA 50-200 works just fine (also a pretty small lens).

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QuoteOriginally posted by guygharvey Quote
for me it would be the 15 mm.
I don't think 15 is for "extreme landscapes". I take wide angle close up portraits, shoot up into trees, and urban scapes like signs and cars and I don't find 16 mm to be super wide.
You are right that 16 is not super wide, but one millimeter feels like more as you go to 15, 14, 12, 10, etc. If you insist on a prime, I would go with the 15 instead of the 21. On film, 24mm and 35mm are my favorites, so I have a 16-45 for my DSLR that fits right in there. (Though again, I really love my FA 20-35 for both film and digital).
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QuoteOriginally posted by wasser Quote
For this reason I'd say stay away from the 12-24mm.



Look here and see how the 15mm is "only for dramatic landscapes". I recently had to make a similar decision and chose the 15mm because I already knew 18mm wasn't wide enough for me. And don't discount the smallness of the 15mm. It's tiny for such a wide angle lens.
Those are some amazing shots. And made my decision for me on my wide angle prime. I find I am always looking for a bit more field of view. Thanks for the great shots wasser. That is exactly what I am looking to use my wide-angle for.
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So what do you think? Any thoughts/advice/suggestions?
Get the DA21. The DA15 is an acquired taste

If size and build quality don't matter as much as price then how about the DA16-45 ?
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