Originally posted by wallyb But I completely fail to see the point. I see no application where you could possibly use this idea of equivalence, in regards to DOF at least.
OK, *now* we're talking the same language. That's why I too questioned the *relevance* (not the *accuracy* of the comparison). As presented, the only value I can see is for the benefit of someone with no APS-C experience but tons of FF digital experience, who hears about a 40/2.8 lens and wonders what it be like to use. Then, the comparison to a 60/4.3 on FF digital would be enlightening. However, I don't know that many people here on this forum are in that boat.
For me, the idea has the one real-world relevance I alluded to: it helps me sort out my own upgrade possibilities. I do a lot of concert photography, mostly using short-medium telephoto primes are around f/2.8. I keep hearing how much better FF is, and I understand the reasons why, and then start wondering, OK, if I were to go FF, what lenses would I need to actually realize the potential improvement. And the answer is, I need a 105/3.5 to give me "equivalent" results to my 70/2.4, a 150/4 to match my 100/2.8, and a 200/4.5 to match my 135/3.5. To actually see a full stop of improvement in terms of noise for a given shutter speed or vice versa, I'd need a 105/2.4, a 150/2.8, and a 200/3.5. That's assuming, of course, that all of this were available in a stabilized system.
So being able to use equivalence in this answers some questions for me I'd find it very difficult to answer any other way short of renting a FF body and selection of lenses to try for a while. Instead, I can see right away tht getting any significant advantage from FF would involve using lenses whose the combined size and weight of those lenses would probably more double what I use now, and the cost would be even more out of line.
I would imagine others could apply the same ideas (and as likely as not come to the exact opposite conclusion given their own personal shooting preferences). As a way of considering future purchases - to evaluate the worth of a format & lens you are not familiar with - it's a handy tool. But you're right that it doesn't have a heck of a lot of applicability in actual shooting. Or, indeed, to the main gist of this thread.
Quote: A 50mm f/1.8 lens doesn't "become" a 75mm f/2.7 lens, it stays the exact same lens no matter where it is, you just get a smaller crop of it. This crop (and subsequent upscaling) increases everything, as any kind of crop would do, be it a sensor crop or a crop on the computer, including chromatic aberrations and 'blurriness' (making the DOF more shallow).
Oh sure, and of course, we'd be talking about two different lenses anyhow, so they are going to have different resolution characteristics, different amounts of vignetting and distortion, different bokeh, and so on. When one gets down to that level of nitty-gritty, obviously it makes no sense to compare a real flash-and-blod (well, glass-and-aluminum) 40/2.8 lens against a completely hypothetical 60/4.3 lens. but just to get a ballpark idea of its capabilities in terms of DOF and shutter speed / noise tradeoffs, it can be a remarkable tool. But again, in this particular context, it's really only relevant to someone who 8does* understand what a 60/4.3 would be like on FF but *doesn't* understand what a 40/2.8 would be like on APS-C. As it is, I think the comparison was about as useful to people to this forum as if someone were to offer to translate this whole thread into Swahili :-)