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Jüri · 09-13-2010, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

There are no "A" contacts on the Helios and the "crippled" mount on the *ist DS is not able mechanically couple to the aperture ring. Regardless of the set aperture, the camera's meter always assumes that the lens is wide open.

Now I understand. Thanks again.

geekette · 04-17-2012, 07:39 AM

I just bought this 44k-4 off eBay right now for $79 shipped from the Ukraine. Can't wait to get it.. I own the 44-2 right now and I imagine this will have that same bokeh swirl, sharpness, contrast and colors.

**boriscleto** · 04-17-2012, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by geekette

I just bought this 44k-4 off eBay right now for $79 shipped from the Ukraine. Can't wait to get it.. I own the 44-2 right now and I imagine this will have that same bokeh swirl, sharpness, contrast and colors.

Doubtful. The 44M has a very different bokeh from the 44-2. The 44M has 8 blades like the 44-2, the 44K-4 has 6 blades.

geekette · 04-17-2012, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Doubtful. The 44M has a very different bokeh from the 44-2. The 44M has 8 blades like the 44-2, the 44K-4 has 6 blades.

Thanks

Yeah I just counted 8 blades on the 44-2. Didn't realize the 44k-4 has 6 blades; so is the 44k-4 is a lesser lens?

**boriscleto** · 04-17-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by geekette

Thanks

Yeah I just counted 8 blades on the 44-2. Didn't realize the 44k-4 has 6 blades; so is the 44k-4 is a lesser lens?

It's not a lesser lens, it's just different.

alspe · 08-10-2012, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

It's not a lesser lens, it's just different.

So, which one gives more extreme bokeh? Swirly?

Can someone say if difference is small or should search more info about Helios's? Or should I just pick one and shoot pics?

PKent · 07-13-2013, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by alspe

So, which one gives more extreme bokeh? Swirly?

Can someone say if difference is small or should search more info about Helios's? Or should I just pick one and shoot pics?

Supposedly the "swirly" look is due to the len's optical formula, which they all share, but the shape of the individual bokeh highlights and lens flares will look different when stopped down, the 44k-4 will have hexagons, while the 44-2 have octagons.

Octagons are very common with moden lenses, they are more subtle and draw little attention (most highend Canon and Nikkor glass are 8 bladed) but I actually like 6 bladed irises for lenses like this, they stand out more which I think helps add to that vintage photo look.

mourya · 11-04-2013, 11:50 PM

i acquired a K mount version. only took some 3-4 test shots at f2. The bokeh looks smashed rather than swirly. may be i need to take more shots with vivid background. Apart from that.. i find it difficult to focus past infinity, like my SMC M lens. At the infinity (there is symbol on focusing ring) the focus is not quiet right.

08-10-2012, 01:02 AM	#51
alspe Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 36	Originally posted by boriscleto It's not a lesser lens, it's just different. So, which one gives more extreme bokeh? Swirly? Can someone say if difference is small or should search more info about Helios's? Or should I just pick one and shoot pics? Last edited by alspe; 08-10-2012 at 03:31 AM.

07-13-2013, 03:31 AM	#52
PKent New Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 5	Originally posted by alspe So, which one gives more extreme bokeh? Swirly? Can someone say if difference is small or should search more info about Helios's? Or should I just pick one and shoot pics? Supposedly the "swirly" look is due to the len's optical formula, which they all share, but the shape of the individual bokeh highlights and lens flares will look different when stopped down, the 44k-4 will have hexagons, while the 44-2 have octagons. Octagons are very common with moden lenses, they are more subtle and draw little attention (most highend Canon and Nikkor glass are 8 bladed) but I actually like 6 bladed irises for lenses like this, they stand out more which I think helps add to that vintage photo look. Last edited by PKent; 07-13-2013 at 03:43 AM.

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09-13-2010, 06:12 AM	#46
Jüri Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 83	Originally posted by stevebrot There are no "A" contacts on the Helios and the "crippled" mount on the *ist DS is not able mechanically couple to the aperture ring. Regardless of the set aperture, the camera's meter always assumes that the lens is wide open. Now I understand. Thanks again.

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geekette Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 528	I just bought this 44k-4 off eBay right now for $79 shipped from the Ukraine. Can't wait to get it.. I own the 44-2 right now and I imagine this will have that same bokeh swirl, sharpness, contrast and colors.

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boriscleto Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Liverpool, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,837	Originally posted by geekette I just bought this 44k-4 off eBay right now for $79 shipped from the Ukraine. Can't wait to get it.. I own the 44-2 right now and I imagine this will have that same bokeh swirl, sharpness, contrast and colors. Doubtful. The 44M has a very different bokeh from the 44-2. The 44M has 8 blades like the 44-2, the 44K-4 has 6 blades.

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boriscleto Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Liverpool, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,837	Originally posted by geekette Thanks Yeah I just counted 8 blades on the 44-2. Didn't realize the 44k-4 has 6 blades; so is the 44k-4 is a lesser lens? It's not a lesser lens, it's just different.

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