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06-15-2007, 04:59 PM   #1
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f2.8 at What Price? Need Fast Tele for Sports

I want to shoot available light sports indoors.

I can get to a decent shutter speed at f2.8. I could push it to f3.5 but I'd rather f2.8.

I need 135mm up to 200mm and I assume I need a prime since I'm looking for a reletively fast lens.

I'm looking for suggestions and average prices. I would like to stay pentax but I'm willing to go off brand if I know what I'm getting.

Little Help?

Whoa, now that I'm seeing prices I should add I'm looking to spend under $500 !!
I don't what to cheap out on my K10D investment and I love the Pentax leses I do have but right now it's $500 or less.


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What sport, how far away, what kind of lighting? (Oh - and what camera?)

Your budget might help, too - the Pentax-FA 200/2.8 (if you can find one!) can be many thousands of dollars.
06-15-2007, 05:14 PM   #3
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If you want to stay Pentax prime lenses:

F or FA 135/2.8
A* 135/1.8 (manual focus)
FA* 200/2.8

None of these are in production, you'll have to find them 2nd hand.
You can check the lens database for average prices:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/index.php
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Here are your options, with the latest prices I've seen on eBay in parentheses. My LBA has over time made me acquire all the lenses on that list, and I can tell you that you won't be disappointed with any one of them!

-FA 135mm F2.8 [IF] ($400-$500)
-FA* 200mm F2.8 ED [IF] ($1100-$1400)
-FA* 80-200mm F2.8 ED [IF] Power Zoom ($1700-$2100)
-FA* 300mm F2.8 ED [IF] ($4000)

Or, if you wait a little:

-DA* 50-135mm F2.8 ED [IF] SDM ($1100?)

The DA zoom may not be long enough for sports photography, though. Plus, we haven't seen its image quality yet... You're using digital, I assume?


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QuoteOriginally posted by Ole Quote
A* 135/1.8 (manual focus)
LOL - Ole, exactly how many 135/1.8s have you seen for sale in the last two years?!?

I'm guessing 3.
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I've seen 4- one on ebay from an international seller (sold for $1300), 2 from sellers in the US ($1900 and $1700), and one here in our marketplace that's still for sale. That 135mm is one legendary lens, but I'm surprised that so many copies have been available recently. Makes me want to buy one

Not a single copy of the only practical lens I'm missing, though - the FA 200mm macro - has been offered on eBay this past year

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Of course if your budget can not abide those prices various brands of 135 2.5-2.8mm lenses are abundant on ekbay. Don't laugh but sears is one that is very sharp (ca repairs in post needed)and several others are not to bad for sharpness. They are not of the quality of the Pentax lenses but will work in a pinch and can be tested at very little cost.
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My budget is $500 or less.

I found a sigma 80-200 manual focus 2.8-3.5 for less than $200

Know anything about this lens or where I could get an honest appraisal?

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This thread has caused me to break out in tears again.

Yesterday I had a quick look through a pawnbrokers lenses for sale was looking at a dodgy looking silver coloured sigma 100-300 F4.5-6.7 and was talking to the sales girl about lenses. She told me that she sold a silver coloured pentax yesterday 80-200 F2.8 for $200 (Australian) she couldn't believe someone would pay that much for a lens and the guy was giggling she said. I just cried - one lousy day late - I can't believe it!

Anyway I am interested in which way you go here as i often take shots of Karate tournaments indoors and have been looking for a fast 200mm lens as well. I will probably get the DA* 50-135 I would prefer 200mm but beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
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vivitar 200mm f3.5 M42
unbelievable wide open. had 2. komine(28xxxx) made
truly a remarkable uncoated lens
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QuoteOriginally posted by Falcons Quote
This thread has caused me to break out in tears again.

Yesterday I had a quick look through a pawnbrokers lenses for sale was looking at a dodgy looking silver coloured sigma 100-300 F4.5-6.7 and was talking to the sales girl about lenses. She told me that she sold a silver coloured pentax yesterday 80-200 F2.8 for $200 (Australian) she couldn't believe someone would pay that much for a lens and the guy was giggling she said. I just cried - one lousy day late - I can't believe it!

Anyway I am interested in which way you go here as i often take shots of Karate tournaments indoors and have been looking for a fast 200mm lens as well. I will probably get the DA* 50-135 I would prefer 200mm but beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
All right....will the lens thief fingered by falcons please own up..

Come on, 'fess up & we'll all go easy on you.....
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QuoteOriginally posted by Falcons Quote
This thread has caused me to break out in tears again.

Yesterday I had a quick look through a pawnbrokers lenses for sale was looking at a dodgy looking silver coloured sigma 100-300 F4.5-6.7 and was talking to the sales girl about lenses. She told me that she sold a silver coloured pentax yesterday 80-200 F2.8 for $200 (Australian) she couldn't believe someone would pay that much for a lens and the guy was giggling she said. I just cried - one lousy day late - I can't believe it!

Anyway I am interested in which way you go here as i often take shots of Karate tournaments indoors and have been looking for a fast 200mm lens as well. I will probably get the DA* 50-135 I would prefer 200mm but beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
Damn, someone made a couple of 1000 $ there

I assume you want autofocus?
If not, on ebay you can find some very decent manual primes...
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One excellent choice not yet mentioned that would be closer to your budget, would be the Sigma 70-200 f2.8 EX. You should be able to find an older non DG version for between US$500 and US$700 depending on condition.

This lens is one of my 2 most used lenses. Excellent all the way around. Just a notch or to below the fabled Pentax FA*80-200 f2.8.

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If you are concerned about both cost and speed, and are considering manual focus also, why not look for a Vivitar Series 1 70-210 f3.5 single collar zoom.

You give up only 1/2 a stop in speed, but in terms of real use, you have the ability to change zoom and focus with a single hand, and as a result you can easily frame and focus at the same time. this makes it almost as good as a an autofocus zoom, in terms of real use.

Since you are indoors, there is no need to worry about auto exposure as you will have generally consistent lighting, reqiring a single exposure setting, and the constant apature of the lens as a function of focal length removes all worries about the need to continually adjust exposure.

Additionally at f3.5 it is fast enough that it works with pentax's 1.7x autofocus adaptor, creating a 120-350mm F5.6 autofocus lens.

All you need to remember is to modify the shield around the apature actuating lever to allow mounting the lens directly on the body. it mounts fine on a TC or the AF adaptor without modification.

I used mine a lot on my PZ1 this way, and only went for a Sigma F2.8 EX-DG when I went digital.
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Lowell is spot on. You will save a pile if you take advantage of your AS and start shopping f3.5 From a practical standpoint they are usually smaller ,lighter ,cost far less, and except in extreme low light you will never see the difference Besides, when you need that big hole you are usually in a tripod setup. I've made a good living at this for decades and cant recall a single instance where a 2.8 or 1.7 for that matter would do anything a 3.5 wouldn't do.I cherish my 2.8 and faster lenses , but from a working photog standpoint ,I believe we've all become a little overly obsesed with 2.8 and below. Some get anal about that half stop. The secret to memorable images is usually F8 and be there.
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