Bokeh 50mm?

Pentaxor · 03-29-2010, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Ira

Bokeh looks like someone took the background and spread the paints with a butter knife.

like this....

bokeh otherwise known as blur or blurry background.

NecroticSoldier · 03-29-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

The Voigtlanders are also available in P/K mount. The test was just of the Nikon mount version.

@_@" We learn something new everyday don't we? ;D!

deadwolfbones · 03-29-2010, 06:16 PM

The Helios-44 lenses have very peculiar bokeh that some (myself included) love a lot.

I think the new Sigma 50/1.4 is supposed to be very highly regarded for its smooth bokeh, too.

NecroticSoldier · 03-29-2010, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

The Helios-44 lenses have very peculiar bokeh that some (myself included) love a lot.

I think the new Sigma 50/1.4 is supposed to be very highly regarded for its smooth bokeh, too.

What if we stick to the Pentax Arena? o.O? A 1.4?

Pentaxor · 03-29-2010, 06:22 PM

bokeh rendering can be harsh, definitive, weird, smooth and creamy. usually people prefer a smooth bokeh which displays uniform layers of the background's color patterns.

twokatmew · 03-29-2010, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

like this....

bokeh otherwise known as blur or blurry background.

So is this bokeh?

FA50/1.4 @F1.4

sjwoo · 03-29-2010, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by basso4735

wha?

Bokeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's pretty clear that Ira's (and some other people's) definition of bokeh is narrower than mine. I like what's said on Wikipedia: In photography, bokeh is the blur, or the aesthetic quality of the blur, in out-of-focus areas of an image, or "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light."

For me, every single photo that's been on this thread has bokeh. As with anything that deals with artistic merit, it's all in the eye of the beholder.

- Sung

Pentaxor · 03-29-2010, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by twokatmew

So is this bokeh?

FA50/1.4 @F1.4

it's a blur.

MrApollinax · 03-29-2010, 08:33 PM

Bokeh? Blur? Blukeh?

JeffJS · 03-29-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by twokatmew

So is this bokeh?

FA50/1.4 @F1.4

Move the rear objects further back to get a better idea. With Bokeh you really shouldn't be able to determine with the OOF objects are, though in many cases, it's obvious (lights, vegetation, etc). The definition seems to vary wildly though.

DFA100mm f2.8 @ f2.8

FA31mm Ltd @f1.8

DA*50-135 @50mm f2.8

FA43mm Ltd @f1.9

DA*50-135 @ f2.8 on Pentax MZ-S, Fuji NPC 160 film

My definitions of course might be different from others though..

yeatzee · 03-29-2010, 11:27 PM

M 50mm F/1.7 @ F/2

axl · 03-30-2010, 12:06 AM

Those highlight hexagons are the only thing that used to bug me on my F50/1.7 and it still does with my K55/1.8 on which it's even worse as the apreture is "jagged" until someewhere like f5.6 or so...
Can't wait to put K50/1.2 through iit's paces. First impressions seem to suggest it's going to be excellent in this respect. I'll keep you guys posted...

hcc · 03-30-2010, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by NecroticSoldier

Awww... too bad that's a Nikon lens ;(.... and... I have looked at that... ;P Going to check it out some more, thanks, Would like some more suggestions though ;D!

The Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f1.4 is available with a K-mount. I have one with my K-7.

At Photozone.de, the review of the Nokton 58m is listed as a Nikon lens, but it is available in oter mount.

You should try it... I can recommend it very strongly.

tokyoso · 03-30-2010, 01:31 AM

why all the bokeh threads lately ?

kit lens @ 55mm

tokyoso · 03-30-2010, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Ira

Bokeh is not just the out of focus area, because any lens can give you that.

And good and bad bokeh can be debated.

But, the simplest way to describe it is a creamy out of focus area with a preferred PATTERN to it--and it's consistent.

The image shown above with bright, huge and sharp geometric figures isn't bokeh--it's just light refraction. One of the other images with the out of focus background isn't bokeh either--it's just out of focus.

Bokeh looks like someone took the background and spread the paints with a butter knife.

does it have to have a creamy color too? hehehe... or are you referring to out of focused motion blur? j/k..

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03-29-2010, 06:14 PM	#16
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Ira Bokeh looks like someone took the background and spread the paints with a butter knife. like this.... bokeh otherwise known as blur or blurry background.

03-29-2010, 06:16 PM	#17
NecroticSoldier Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Scarborough, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 488 Original Poster	Originally posted by deadwolfbones The Voigtlanders are also available in P/K mount. The test was just of the Nikon mount version. @_@" We learn something new everyday don't we? ;D!

03-29-2010, 06:16 PM	#18
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	The Helios-44 lenses have very peculiar bokeh that some (myself included) love a lot. I think the new Sigma 50/1.4 is supposed to be very highly regarded for its smooth bokeh, too.

03-29-2010, 06:18 PM	#19
NecroticSoldier Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Scarborough, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 488 Original Poster	Originally posted by deadwolfbones The Helios-44 lenses have very peculiar bokeh that some (myself included) love a lot. I think the new Sigma 50/1.4 is supposed to be very highly regarded for its smooth bokeh, too. What if we stick to the Pentax Arena? o.O? A 1.4?

03-29-2010, 06:22 PM	#20
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	bokeh rendering can be harsh, definitive, weird, smooth and creamy. usually people prefer a smooth bokeh which displays uniform layers of the background's color patterns.

03-29-2010, 06:28 PM	#21
twokatmew Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Lansing, MI Photos: Albums Posts: 509	Originally posted by Pentaxor like this.... bokeh otherwise known as blur or blurry background. So is this bokeh? FA50/1.4 @F1.4

03-29-2010, 06:39 PM	#22
sjwoo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 70	Originally posted by basso4735 wha? Bokeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I think it's pretty clear that Ira's (and some other people's) definition of bokeh is narrower than mine. I like what's said on Wikipedia: In photography, bokeh is the blur, or the aesthetic quality of the blur, in out-of-focus areas of an image, or "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light." For me, every single photo that's been on this thread has bokeh. As with anything that deals with artistic merit, it's all in the eye of the beholder. - Sung

03-29-2010, 07:44 PM	#23
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by twokatmew So is this bokeh? FA50/1.4 @F1.4 it's a blur.

03-29-2010, 08:33 PM	#24
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Bokeh? Blur? Blukeh?

03-29-2010, 08:56 PM	#25
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by twokatmew So is this bokeh? FA50/1.4 @F1.4 Move the rear objects further back to get a better idea. With Bokeh you really shouldn't be able to determine with the OOF objects are, though in many cases, it's obvious (lights, vegetation, etc). The definition seems to vary wildly though. DFA100mm f2.8 @ f2.8 FA31mm Ltd @f1.8 DA50-135 @50mm f2.8 FA43mm Ltd @f1.9 DA50-135 @ f2.8 on Pentax MZ-S, Fuji NPC 160 film My definitions of course might be different from others though..

03-29-2010, 11:27 PM	#26
yeatzee Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Temecula Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,675	M 50mm F/1.7 @ F/2

03-30-2010, 12:06 AM	#27
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Those highlight hexagons are the only thing that used to bug me on my F50/1.7 and it still does with my K55/1.8 on which it's even worse as the apreture is "jagged" until someewhere like f5.6 or so... Can't wait to put K50/1.2 through iit's paces. First impressions seem to suggest it's going to be excellent in this respect. I'll keep you guys posted...

03-30-2010, 01:17 AM	#28
hcc Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,004	Originally posted by NecroticSoldier Awww... too bad that's a Nikon lens ;(.... and... I have looked at that... ;P Going to check it out some more, thanks, Would like some more suggestions though ;D! The Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f1.4 is available with a K-mount. I have one with my K-7. At Photozone.de, the review of the Nokton 58m is listed as a Nikon lens, but it is available in oter mount. You should try it... I can recommend it very strongly.

03-30-2010, 01:31 AM	#29
tokyoso Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Photos: Albums Posts: 723	why all the bokeh threads lately ? kit lens @ 55mm

03-30-2010, 02:06 AM	#30
tokyoso Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Photos: Albums Posts: 723	Originally posted by Ira Bokeh is not just the out of focus area, because any lens can give you that. And good and bad bokeh can be debated. But, the simplest way to describe it is a creamy out of focus area with a preferred PATTERN to it--and it's consistent. The image shown above with bright, huge and sharp geometric figures isn't bokeh--it's just light refraction. One of the other images with the out of focus background isn't bokeh either--it's just out of focus. Bokeh looks like someone took the background and spread the paints with a butter knife. does it have to have a creamy color too? hehehe... or are you referring to out of focused motion blur? j/k..