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03-29-2010, 06:14 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ira Quote

Bokeh looks like someone took the background and spread the paints with a butter knife.

like this....


bokeh otherwise known as blur or blurry background.

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The Voigtlanders are also available in P/K mount. The test was just of the Nikon mount version.
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The Helios-44 lenses have very peculiar bokeh that some (myself included) love a lot.

I think the new Sigma 50/1.4 is supposed to be very highly regarded for its smooth bokeh, too.
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The Helios-44 lenses have very peculiar bokeh that some (myself included) love a lot.

I think the new Sigma 50/1.4 is supposed to be very highly regarded for its smooth bokeh, too.
What if we stick to the Pentax Arena? o.O? A 1.4?

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bokeh rendering can be harsh, definitive, weird, smooth and creamy. usually people prefer a smooth bokeh which displays uniform layers of the background's color patterns.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
like this....


bokeh otherwise known as blur or blurry background.
So is this bokeh?

FA50/1.4 @F1.4
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I think it's pretty clear that Ira's (and some other people's) definition of bokeh is narrower than mine. I like what's said on Wikipedia: In photography, bokeh is the blur, or the aesthetic quality of the blur, in out-of-focus areas of an image, or "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light."

For me, every single photo that's been on this thread has bokeh. As with anything that deals with artistic merit, it's all in the eye of the beholder.

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So is this bokeh?

FA50/1.4 @F1.4
it's a blur.

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Bokeh? Blur? Blukeh?

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So is this bokeh?

FA50/1.4 @F1.4
Move the rear objects further back to get a better idea. With Bokeh you really shouldn't be able to determine with the OOF objects are, though in many cases, it's obvious (lights, vegetation, etc). The definition seems to vary wildly though.

DFA100mm f2.8 @ f2.8


FA31mm Ltd @f1.8


DA*50-135 @50mm f2.8


FA43mm Ltd @f1.9


DA*50-135 @ f2.8 on Pentax MZ-S, Fuji NPC 160 film


My definitions of course might be different from others though..

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M 50mm F/1.7 @ F/2

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Those highlight hexagons are the only thing that used to bug me on my F50/1.7 and it still does with my K55/1.8 on which it's even worse as the apreture is "jagged" until someewhere like f5.6 or so...
Can't wait to put K50/1.2 through iit's paces. First impressions seem to suggest it's going to be excellent in this respect. I'll keep you guys posted...
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Awww... too bad that's a Nikon lens ;(.... and... I have looked at that... ;P Going to check it out some more, thanks, Would like some more suggestions though ;D!
The Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f1.4 is available with a K-mount. I have one with my K-7.

At Photozone.de, the review of the Nokton 58m is listed as a Nikon lens, but it is available in oter mount.

You should try it... I can recommend it very strongly.
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why all the bokeh threads lately ?

kit lens @ 55mm

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QuoteOriginally posted by Ira Quote
Bokeh is not just the out of focus area, because any lens can give you that.

And good and bad bokeh can be debated.

But, the simplest way to describe it is a creamy out of focus area with a preferred PATTERN to it--and it's consistent.

The image shown above with bright, huge and sharp geometric figures isn't bokeh--it's just light refraction. One of the other images with the out of focus background isn't bokeh either--it's just out of focus.

Bokeh looks like someone took the background and spread the paints with a butter knife.
does it have to have a creamy color too? hehehe... or are you referring to out of focused motion blur? j/k..
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