Originally posted by gmargo This thread has touched a nerve for me!
I have been watching discussions on the forum about Pentax and birding photography for the past 6 months with great interest. I am new to Pentax and digital photography but not new to birding or photography in general. I got a used K10D about a year ago, and have enjoyed getting to know it. When I thought about combining photography and birding I was quite inspired by the beautiful work of Scott and others on the forum, and his suggested lens/TC combos make sense to me for flexibility and portability. However I am slowly realizing that choosing 2 favorite long lenses for Pentax, and actually finding them (apart of course from the current DA*300/4) are two different things! Finding a 1.7x AF TC is a bit of a challenge too but at least I have managed that.
Bottom line: any tips for actually finding a FA*300/2.8? I have been following the forum here, KEH, eBay with no sightings yet! Also is the DA* 300/4 a good choice in place of the FA*300/4.5?
Hi gmargo,
Thanks for the compliment
The best tip I can give to finding an FA*300/2.8 is to be patient, have the funds available, and when you find one that meets your purchasing criteria (condition, price, and reliability of source), do not hesitate -- just be wary of the myriad of possible scams that the rarity of long Pentax glass seems to promote. For lenses in this class, I've chosen to limit my searches to KEH, B&H, Adorama, ebay sellers with very high and extensive feedback and good return policies, and local sellers (very few and far between) where I can inspect the lens before money changes hands.
It took me well over a year to find mine. I had arbitrarily set my price limit at $2700 USD for a user grade (cosmetics don't matter much to me, but the glass had to be EX).
In the meantime, I had purchased an EX Sigma EX 300/2.8 APO (pre DG version) as I really wanted an AF lens in this class so I could shoot AF at 300mm and 420mm (with a 1.4x TC). AF is important to me because my vision varies quite a bit during the course of a day, and with the MF Tamron, I could only really effectively use it at 510mm with the F 1.7x AFA, and 714mm with the AFA stacked on the Tamron 140F 1.4x Adaptall 2 TC.
Of course (for me at least) buying the Sigma meant that an FA*300/2.8 at my price would become available within a few months, and that's exactly what happened -- saw a "bargain" grade FA*, missing the filter set only (which I didn't have any use for), at KEH. Risking only the shipping both ways, I bought it. Optically and mechanically perfect, with some scratches on the barrel and hood, this lens was perfect for me -- I'm a shooter, not a collector -- cosmetic perfection is nice, but not at all necessary -- all I require is that I have the capability of selling the lens to recover the purchase price, and I'm cheap enough to set my price limits low enough to ensure this.
A similar thing happened when I was looking for an affordable FA*300/4.5 @ 5 years ago, after this lens had been discontinued. Prices were in the $1200-1500 USD range, and I didn't want to pay more than the last "street" price of $899 that I'd seen at B&H. After searching without success for over 6 months, I "settled" for an A* 300/4 from a local pro, then found an appropriately cosmetically challenged FA* in my price range a month later. One good thing about premium grade lenses is that they are usually appreciated by their owners and the optics are rarely abused, but I have see two A*300/4s that looked like they were last cleaned with a cinder block, so this is not a hard and fast rule. . .
The weird thing is that both of these lenses --
horribly scratched front elements -- still take good pics when stopped down some -- unbelievable!
From these experiences, I'd be tempted to suggest that you buy a Sigma EX 300/2.8, and wait for the inevitable "right" FA*300/2.8 to be offered soon after the purchase
-- just kidding. . .
About the FA*300/4.5 vs the DA* 300/4 -- I compared these two soon after the DA* was introduced. I found the DA* was a tad sharper, the silent focusing was nice, but I've never had a problem with the screw drive sound, the extra 1/3 stop in max aperture was nice (but it's only 1/3 stop), I liked the closer Minimum Focusing Distance (@4 ft vs @ 6 ft)and the Quick Shift focusing was a very useful and convenient feature (allows manual prefocusing to get close, and let AF take over from there in difficult focus situations -- I can do this with the FA*'s focus clutch, but it's not nearly as fast or convenient -- I have to pull the focus ring back to its MF position, prefocus, then push it back to the AF position).
In the end, I chose to stick with the FA*, and the possibility of SDM problems had no bearing in the decision, since this controversy had not surfaced yet. Personally FWIW, I'm not one who considers this, or the question of Viet Nam vs Japan QC, reasons to not buy new Pentax lenses. I just like the FA*, with it's smaller size (67mm vs 77mm front element, more robust hood (even tho it's a bit fiddly to mount) -- and it matches my FA*300/2.8 with the silver paint and big Pentax logo on the hood -- but that's just being silly. . .
. I also like the fact that it doesn't have a tripod collar, but the DA*'s is removable, so this is really a non issue for the most part (I have found that finding a way to carry a loose tripod collar is a PIA, and it's inevitable that if I leave it at home, I run into a situation where I wish I'd had it -- Murphy's Law is a virtual birthmark on me).
Many get frustrated looking for long Pentax glass, I'm pretty much done, but I actually enjoyed the hunt, and found the added satisfaction of finding these relatively rarely offered lenses a plus (once I got what I wanted that is). . . but I guess I'm a little weird. . .
Good luck in your search!
Scott