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**fs999** · 03-04-2011, 03:06 PM

Hello,

Is there a product to flaten a curly film ?
I tried the Rollei Retro 100 Tonal, but damned was it hard to scan this film !
Perhaps there is a wash addin for that.
It is a synthetic film base.

Wheatfield · 03-04-2011, 04:49 PM

A full sized Bible was always my choice.
Close the film strips is the Bible (in sleeves or glassines) for a few days and see if that doesn't flatten them out.

stevebrot · 03-04-2011, 08:25 PM

Kodak used to make a flattening product (back-in-the-day), but it was not very affective. I am surprised that the non-acetate base is giving you problems, but sometimes how the film is made will result in curl regardless of the base material (i.e. no backing). I quite using Rollei Retro 100 (non-tonal) in 35mm due to excessive curl, but have shot RR 80s in both 35mm and 120 with no problems whatsoever. The RR 100 Tonal is supposed to be an Efke product, so it may be that they had a bad batch and/or are still working out the kinks of making the film?

Pressing the film in sleeve is a good idea, though it may take awhile. It may be too that with warmer weather and higher humidity, the problem may be less as we move into Spring.

Steve

Steinback · 03-04-2011, 10:13 PM

I've been putting troublesome negatives in sleeves in a heavy textbook and leaving several kilos of plate weights on top for a few weeks.

mickeyobe · 03-04-2011, 10:48 PM

Sometimes rolling the film backwards (inside out) and letting it sit in a warm place for a few days will work.

Mickey

**ChrisPlatt** · 03-05-2011, 02:14 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

A full sized Bible was always my choice.

Even God can't help Rollei Retro 100.

Chris

stevebrot · 03-05-2011, 10:21 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Even God can't help Rollei Retro 100.

Chris

Does anyone know if APX 100 suffered from the same problem or is the RR 100 (not Tonal) curl a characteristic of the film confectioned with Rollei branding for Maco/Mahn?

Steve

(Some clarification...RR 100 is made from leftover sheet stock of Agfa APX 100 confectioned (finished out and packaged) as Rollei and is considered to BE APX 100 for most purposes. RR 100 Tonal is a completely different film.)

**Ron Boggs** · 03-05-2011, 11:10 AM

If the question involves wanting flatter film for scanning, anti-Newton ring glass "pushes" the film flat without the little rainbow rings that occur with regular glass. Found a couple different film carriers for my old scanner with anti-Newton ring glass which solves my problem. Storage in glassine sleeves stuffed into archival pages in spiral notebooks assists with flatness issue as well as analog cataloging.

Ratmagiclady · 03-05-2011, 01:52 PM

This new (to me) non-hardening eco-fixer I'm using seems to help a lot with this. Whatever it is about the water down here: it rinses well, but, it'd been making the film really really curly and stiff. This stuff seems to counteract that tendency pretty well.

For my scanner, (Which is glitchy, or I'd have done this some time ago) I really just want to use proper negative carriers from an enlarger and add a little of a spacer to make it sit at the standard height.

**ChrisPlatt** · 03-05-2011, 05:21 PM

Retro 100 also scratches easily, so I wouldn't use a non-hardening fixer.

Chris

stevebrot · 03-05-2011, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Retro 100 also scratches easily, so I wouldn't use a non-hardening fixer.

Chris

That is so true, although the OP is not shooting Retro 100. He is shooting Retro 100 Tonal, a different film.

Steve

GeneV · 03-06-2011, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by mickeyobe

Sometimes rolling the film backwards (inside out) and letting it sit in a warm place for a few days will work.

Mickey

I've done that with C41 from the Minilab. They like to put the neg roll back in the film can, where it get curly.

For B&W I don't have much trouble if I have a good strong weight on the bottom. The little weight in the film holder is not enough. But then, I haven't shot Rollei Retro.

**twilhelm** · 03-06-2011, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Does anyone know if APX 100 suffered from the same problem or is the RR 100 (not Tonal) curl a characteristic of the film confectioned with Rollei branding for Maco/Mahn?

I shot a lot of APX 100. Bought it in 50 ft. rolls.
Yes, I always had a curl problem with it. But it was still my favorite B&W film.

**ChrisPlatt** · 03-06-2011, 01:04 PM

I don't recall any curling problem with the APX100 film I used in the late '90's.
I believe the original Agfa 35mm APX100 film was made on a thicker base.

Chris

eddie1960 · 03-06-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Even God can't help Rollei Retro 100.

Chris

I have to agree, i'm just finished trying to scan a roll of the original i just developed. 2 weeks in it's sleeve with about 25 lbs of texts on top. Still a little curled.

03-04-2011, 03:06 PM	#1
fs999 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Luxembourg Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,650	How to flaten a curly film Hello, Is there a product to flaten a curly film ? I tried the Rollei Retro 100 Tonal, but damned was it hard to scan this film ! Perhaps there is a wash addin for that. It is a synthetic film base.

03-06-2011, 01:04 PM	#14
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,702	I don't recall any curling problem with the APX100 film I used in the late '90's. I believe the original Agfa 35mm APX100 film was made on a thicker base. Chris Last edited by ChrisPlatt; 03-06-2011 at 01:21 PM.

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03-04-2011, 04:49 PM	#2
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,991	A full sized Bible was always my choice. Close the film strips is the Bible (in sleeves or glassines) for a few days and see if that doesn't flatten them out.

03-04-2011, 08:25 PM	#3
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Kodak used to make a flattening product (back-in-the-day), but it was not very affective. I am surprised that the non-acetate base is giving you problems, but sometimes how the film is made will result in curl regardless of the base material (i.e. no backing). I quite using Rollei Retro 100 (non-tonal) in 35mm due to excessive curl, but have shot RR 80s in both 35mm and 120 with no problems whatsoever. The RR 100 Tonal is supposed to be an Efke product, so it may be that they had a bad batch and/or are still working out the kinks of making the film? Pressing the film in sleeve is a good idea, though it may take awhile. It may be too that with warmer weather and higher humidity, the problem may be less as we move into Spring. Steve

03-04-2011, 10:13 PM	#4
Steinback Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: GTA, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,673	I've been putting troublesome negatives in sleeves in a heavy textbook and leaving several kilos of plate weights on top for a few weeks.

03-04-2011, 10:48 PM	#5
mickeyobe Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,759	Sometimes rolling the film backwards (inside out) and letting it sit in a warm place for a few days will work. Mickey

03-05-2011, 02:14 AM - 2 Likes	#6
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,702	Originally posted by Wheatfield A full sized Bible was always my choice. Even God can't help Rollei Retro 100. Chris

03-05-2011, 10:21 AM - 1 Like	#7
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Even God can't help Rollei Retro 100. Chris Does anyone know if APX 100 suffered from the same problem or is the RR 100 (not Tonal) curl a characteristic of the film confectioned with Rollei branding for Maco/Mahn? Steve (Some clarification...RR 100 is made from leftover sheet stock of Agfa APX 100 confectioned (finished out and packaged) as Rollei and is considered to BE APX 100 for most purposes. RR 100 Tonal is a completely different film.)

03-05-2011, 11:10 AM	#8
Ron Boggs Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MT Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,350	If the question involves wanting flatter film for scanning, anti-Newton ring glass "pushes" the film flat without the little rainbow rings that occur with regular glass. Found a couple different film carriers for my old scanner with anti-Newton ring glass which solves my problem. Storage in glassine sleeves stuffed into archival pages in spiral notebooks assists with flatness issue as well as analog cataloging.

03-05-2011, 01:52 PM	#9
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	This new (to me) non-hardening eco-fixer I'm using seems to help a lot with this. Whatever it is about the water down here: it rinses well, but, it'd been making the film really really curly and stiff. This stuff seems to counteract that tendency pretty well. For my scanner, (Which is glitchy, or I'd have done this some time ago) I really just want to use proper negative carriers from an enlarger and add a little of a spacer to make it sit at the standard height.

03-05-2011, 05:21 PM	#10
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,702	Retro 100 also scratches easily, so I wouldn't use a non-hardening fixer. Chris

03-05-2011, 09:01 PM	#11
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Retro 100 also scratches easily, so I wouldn't use a non-hardening fixer. Chris That is so true, although the OP is not shooting Retro 100. He is shooting Retro 100 Tonal, a different film. Steve

03-06-2011, 11:35 AM	#12
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by mickeyobe Sometimes rolling the film backwards (inside out) and letting it sit in a warm place for a few days will work. Mickey I've done that with C41 from the Minilab. They like to put the neg roll back in the film can, where it get curly. For B&W I don't have much trouble if I have a good strong weight on the bottom. The little weight in the film holder is not enough. But then, I haven't shot Rollei Retro.

03-06-2011, 12:30 PM	#13
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	Originally posted by stevebrot Does anyone know if APX 100 suffered from the same problem or is the RR 100 (not Tonal) curl a characteristic of the film confectioned with Rollei branding for Maco/Mahn? I shot a lot of APX 100. Bought it in 50 ft. rolls. Yes, I always had a curl problem with it. But it was still my favorite B&W film.

03-06-2011, 01:07 PM	#15
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Even God can't help Rollei Retro 100. Chris I have to agree, i'm just finished trying to scan a roll of the original i just developed. 2 weeks in it's sleeve with about 25 lbs of texts on top. Still a little curled.

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