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12-12-2014, 01:30 PM   #1
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Epson Perfection V800/V850 Film scanners.

Hi film users,
I have just had to say goodbye to my much used and loved Nikon Coolscan V ED film and negative scanner after our house was struck by lightning recently. Nikon as a company has been useless since, with no ability to repair or replace the fried USB controller.
Does anyone have any experience yet with the new Epson Perfection V800 or V850 film and negative scanners? I would be interested to know how they compare in quality and ease of use to the Nikon scanners.
Many thanks,
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12-12-2014, 02:03 PM   #2
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I have an older Epson Perfection V550 Photo Color Scanner 5+ years, very happy with the product and company.
(Epson repaired an older printer without balking, it was more than 3 years old, they covered all shipping and sent it back with all new ink!)
Scanned many photographs, negatives, and slides, highly pleased with results, especially with older faded works I thought could not be recovered.
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Just to broaden your question : what format film would you be scanning?
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The scanner review site ScanDig has not reviewed the V800/850 yet. But maybe you can read the advertisement hype of the V750's performance and the actual performance on that review site then extrapolate the difference between reality and what the V800/850 advertises. Or keep an eye on the site and wait for a review. Since they list the scanner, perhaps the review is not far away. But keep in mind you don't have to get a dedicated 35mm only scanner. A Film Scanner that also does 120 roll film will also do 35mm film.


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It is interesting to see new colour film scanners coming while the range of available films is decreasing.

One issue (I have the PrimeFilmPro120) is with film grain on c41.
I read that C41 dye clouds are typically stochastic in range 1.5 ~10 um or so.
That is 16000 to 2500 pixels per inch.
So if the scanner is in this range we have the possibility of amplifying the grain into clumps randomly in the image by aliasing (interfering sidebands),
according to Messrs Nyquist and Shannon.

I think, not sure, I have this problem in blue sky on the 35mm Fuji Superia iso 800.
https://app.box.com/s/omlyj78yl9m884dq7kdv


Maybe it is better to reduce the scanner DPI to 1800 or so when scanning C41 35mm ?
I am also trying to expose C41 iso 800 at EI200~640 to see if it improves.
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QuoteOriginally posted by 6BQ5 Quote
Just to broaden your question : what format film would you be scanning?
35mm slide and film strips.
Cheers.

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QuoteOriginally posted by tuco Quote
The scanner review site ScanDig has not reviewed the V800/850 yet. But maybe you can read the advertisement hype of the V750's performance and the actual performance on that review site then extrapolate the difference between reality and what the V800/850 advertises. Or keep an eye on the site and wait for a review. Since they list the scanner, perhaps the review is not far away. But keep in mind you don't have to get a dedicated 35mm only scanner. A Film Scanner that also does 120 roll film will also do 35mm film.
Actually, I had seen the phenomena with areas of sky with the Nikon. Never actually thought about why it happened.
Thanks.

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I had looked at the Opic brand, but they look way too slow.
TA.
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My Plustek slide scanner works very well, and you can buy them new. They handle the latest Mac and Windows OS, unlike the old Nikon products I hear.

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QuoteOriginally posted by wombat2go Quote
It is interesting to see new colour film scanners coming while the range of available films is decreasing.

One issue (I have the PrimeFilmPro120) is with film grain on c41.
I read that C41 dye clouds are typically stochastic in range 1.5 ~10 um or so.
That is 16000 to 2500 pixels per inch.
So if the scanner is in this range we have the possibility of amplifying the grain into clumps randomly in the image by aliasing (interfering sidebands),
according to Messrs Nyquist and Shannon.

I think, not sure, I have this problem in blue sky on the 35mm Fuji Superia iso 800.
https://app.box.com/s/omlyj78yl9m884dq7kdv


Maybe it is better to reduce the scanner DPI to 1800 or so when scanning C41 35mm ?
I am also trying to expose C41 iso 800 at EI200~640 to see if it improves.
Actually, I had seen the phenomena with areas of sky with the Nikon. Never actually thought about why it happened.
Thanks.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Hogdriver Quote
I have an older Epson Perfection V550 Photo Color Scanner 5+ years, very happy with the product and company.
(Epson repaired an older printer without balking, it was more than 3 years old, they covered all shipping and sent it back with all new ink!)
Scanned many photographs, negatives, and slides, highly pleased with results, especially with older faded works I thought could not be recovered.

I can echo what Hogdriver said. I too have one of the Epson v550 scanners (4+ years) and I'm tickled pink with it's performance. As HD said, I was totally amazed at how it enhanced old, faded photos. I believe the resolution is higher than most comparable scanners in it's price range. For bang-for-the-buck, I don't think there's a better all-around scanner on the market.

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There is a new scanner that may be worth considering - Reflecta ProScan 10T Testbericht: Bildqualit. You can use google translate if you can't understand German.
It is fixed focus but seems to achieve 4100dpi. In the US it is the Pacific Image PrimeFilm XE and is reasonably priced.
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Increase Ev

The picture in your link was taken on an overcast day with low contrast conditions. It looks underexposed. No shiny glass or metallic objects visible, so a great deal of leeway before film becomes overexposed. With each scene, try taking several pictures boosting the camera's Ev incrementally with each one until overexposure becomes intolerable. Maximum tolerable exposure will minimize grain.


QuoteOriginally posted by wombat2go Quote
It is interesting to see new colour film scanners coming while the range of available films is decreasing.

One issue (I have the PrimeFilmPro120) is with film grain on c41.
I read that C41 dye clouds are typically stochastic in range 1.5 ~10 um or so.
That is 16000 to 2500 pixels per inch.
So if the scanner is in this range we have the possibility of amplifying the grain into clumps randomly in the image by aliasing (interfering sidebands),
according to Messrs Nyquist and Shannon.

I think, not sure, I have this problem in blue sky on the 35mm Fuji Superia iso 800.
https://app.box.com/s/omlyj78yl9m884dq7kdv


Maybe it is better to reduce the scanner DPI to 1800 or so when scanning C41 35mm ?
I am also trying to expose C41 iso 800 at EI200~640 to see if it improves.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mva Quote
The picture in your link was taken on an overcast day with low contrast conditions. It looks underexposed. No shiny glass or metallic objects visible, so a great deal of leeway before film becomes overexposed. With each scene, try taking several pictures boosting the camera's Ev incrementally with each one until overexposure becomes intolerable. Maximum tolerable exposure will minimize grain.
I agree that most negative films that I have tested gets finer grained when overexposed such as the example of Fuji Superia 1600 below. "0" is perfect exposure as measured on the gray card. + range is overexposure and - range underexposure.



Larger res -> http://www.fototime.com/104F97076DE3899/orig.jpg
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Thanks to Terry and MVA for the comments.

I have a batch of C41 rolls of 120 and 35mm to process and scan.
I did set the iso lower on the Pentax MX this time when I ran the Fuji iso 800.

It is only the second time the PrimeFilmPro120 so I will try some variations to the settings.
On 6x7 120 C41 film, it is giving excellent results at 2400 DPI.

Here is another review of the Epson V850
Epson Perfection V850 Pro the review

The reviewer mentioned here about scanning 35mm at 4800 dpi and upsampling in post processing.
But I don't know why 35mm would benefit from such upsampling
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>>35mm slide and film strips.<<

If you are only doing 35 mm film and slides, go for one of the decent dedicated film scanners. Especially if you are used to the output from a Nikon. Look at Plustek, etc. The V8xx is a nice flatbed (same optics as a 750 though) but for the smaller formats like 35 mm the decent dedicated film scanners have an edge.

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The other option you can pursue is getting a macro lens and a film holder that screws into the filter threads of the lens.
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