Stand development - chemistry.

pathdoc · 04-27-2016, 05:41 AM

I am of the understanding that Agfa Rodinal, the go-to developer for this process, has been discontinued.

What are my options?

HYS · 04-27-2016, 06:26 AM

May be Adox Rodinal.

Adox Rodinal Film Developer - 500ml | Freestyle Photographic Supplies

or Adox Adonal Developer (Atomal)
Adox Adonal Developer (500ml/16 oz) 12054 B&H Photo Video

or Ilford Ilfosol-3 Film Developer.

stevebrot · 04-27-2016, 07:55 AM

As noted above, Adox makes what they claim is their version of the original formulation and might be your best option if you prefer that developer. That being said, stand and semi-stand development may be done with any number of developers. For example, HC-110 at dilution G 1+119 is an option that I have used for semi-stand with good results. (I don't have patience for traditional stand development.)

Steve

pathdoc · 04-27-2016, 07:56 AM

Thank you for the names. Will have to seek alternative sources as these links are ground shipping to the Lower 48 only and I live on a Canadian island...

Arvid · 04-27-2016, 08:26 AM

I use Ilford Ilfotec HC for semi stand development all the time and I am quite satisfied with the results. It's their interpretation of Kodak HC 110. I really can't compare it to other developers since that bottle lasts forever and I am not willing to buy another developer before I finish this one. Next thing I want to try is Caffenol, though. There are different recipes that seem to be suitable for stand development, too, and what I have seen on the Internet looks really good.

**Shell650** · 04-27-2016, 10:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pathdoc

Thank you for the names. Will have to seek alternative sources as these links are ground shipping to the Lower 48 only and I live on a Canadian island...

In Canada, the Rodinal replacement is Blazinal. In Montreal I buy it at Photo Service:

I don't know how they are with shipping, though. Good luck!

John Poirier · 04-27-2016, 12:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pathdoc

Thank you for the names. Will have to seek alternative sources as these links are ground shipping to the Lower 48 only and I live on a Canadian island...

You might try Beau Photo in Vancouver. Beau Photo Supplies - Cameras, Equipment, Albums, Rentals

Their website is very sketchy, but I've heard that they carry quite a bit of darkroom stuff.

pathdoc · 04-27-2016, 12:22 PM

Many thanks, people. Will follow up these leads and see what turns up.

**beachgardener** · 05-11-2016, 03:25 AM

pathdoc, what is your recipe for stand development? temp. time, agitation etc.

pathdoc · 05-11-2016, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

pathdoc, what is your recipe for stand development? temp. time, agitation etc.

I don't have one yet because I don't have easy access to liquid developers (Henry's, even though they have a branch in Newfoundland, won't let me buy Ilford liquid developer online, for example) - it would have to be ordered in at significant cost, which is why I'm asking for advice on what to get and where to get it before taking the plunge.

HYS · 05-11-2016, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by Arvid

I use Ilford Ilfotec HC for semi stand development all the time and I am quite satisfied with the results. It's their interpretation of Kodak HC 110. I really can't compare it to other developers since that bottle lasts forever and I am not willing to buy another developer before I finish this one. Next thing I want to try is Caffenol, though. There are different recipes that seem to be suitable for stand development, too, and what I have seen on the Internet looks really good.

Just to add something more. In my film era I had the chance to work with Tetenal developers and I would say I got excellent negatives with them.
Tetenal ULTRAFIN and PARANOL S (similar formula as Rodinal) are highly recommendable. The first one is a is the so called "fine grain developer" and a is little dissolving the grain,
the second one gives sharp edges of the film grains.
I am sure you will find a supplier.

**Shell650** · 05-11-2016, 05:38 AM - **1 Like**

I tried to find this link for my earlier post but just found it now. Photo supply company in Toronto that ships "Canada wide via Canada Post Expedited Parcel or Xpresspost". Seems to have a good list of chemistry:

FilmPlus | 416-535-3747 | Toronto, Canada

Again, good luck!

pathdoc · 04-06-2017, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by HYS

or Ilford Ilfosol-3 Film Developer.

I have secured some Ilfosol S, its close cousin (predecessor?) and am tempted to give it a go. Does anyone have a starting point for dilutions and times?

**ChrisPlatt** · 04-08-2017, 12:35 PM

IMO the risks involved in stand development equal any potential benefits.
I have never understood its appeal. Maybe it's some kind of Zen thing?

Chris

pathdoc · 04-09-2017, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

IMO the risks involved in stand development equal any potential benefits.
I have never understood its appeal. Maybe it's some kind of Zen thing?

Chris

IIRC the claim is that the highlights develop fast, then the developer in proximity to the film becomes exhausted; after this, the shadows then develop slowly but extensively by diffusion and one can end up with an improved result. Because the developing time is very, very long, small variations on the order of thirty to sixty seconds (e.g. pour-out time for large Patterson tanks) are not critical, nor is temperature (within sane limits) - and the volumes of developer used are very small.

In addition, Rodinal - which is the go-to for this system - is supposed to have an unusually long shelf-life once opened, so it also benefits photographers who don't get into the darkroom much, don't want their solutions going bad on them, and want to economise on developer.

I have no doubt there is currently a hipster element to it.

I would be interested to hear you expound upon the risks. One thing I can say for sure - as with Caffenol (which I also have yet to try), it's not something I'd trust once-in-a-lifetime pics with until I was confident in the process.

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04-27-2016, 06:26 AM	#2
HYS Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 377	May be Adox Rodinal. Adox Rodinal Film Developer - 500ml \| Freestyle Photographic Supplies or Adox Adonal Developer (Atomal) Adox Adonal Developer (500ml/16 oz) 12054 B&H Photo Video or Ilford Ilfosol-3 Film Developer.

04-27-2016, 07:55 AM	#3
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	As noted above, Adox makes what they claim is their version of the original formulation and might be your best option if you prefer that developer. That being said, stand and semi-stand development may be done with any number of developers. For example, HC-110 at dilution G 1+119 is an option that I have used for semi-stand with good results. (I don't have patience for traditional stand development.) Steve

04-27-2016, 07:56 AM	#4
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381 Original Poster	Thank you for the names. Will have to seek alternative sources as these links are ground shipping to the Lower 48 only and I live on a Canadian island...

04-27-2016, 08:26 AM	#5
Arvid Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	I use Ilford Ilfotec HC for semi stand development all the time and I am quite satisfied with the results. It's their interpretation of Kodak HC 110. I really can't compare it to other developers since that bottle lasts forever and I am not willing to buy another developer before I finish this one. Next thing I want to try is Caffenol, though. There are different recipes that seem to be suitable for stand development, too, and what I have seen on the Internet looks really good.

04-27-2016, 10:45 AM - 1 Like	#6
Shell650 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Halifax, NS, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 87	Originally posted by pathdoc Thank you for the names. Will have to seek alternative sources as these links are ground shipping to the Lower 48 only and I live on a Canadian island... In Canada, the Rodinal replacement is Blazinal. In Montreal I buy it at Photo Service: I don't know how they are with shipping, though. Good luck!

04-27-2016, 12:11 PM - 1 Like	#7
John Poirier Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gabriola Island Posts: 619	Originally posted by pathdoc Thank you for the names. Will have to seek alternative sources as these links are ground shipping to the Lower 48 only and I live on a Canadian island... You might try Beau Photo in Vancouver. Beau Photo Supplies - Cameras, Equipment, Albums, Rentals Their website is very sketchy, but I've heard that they carry quite a bit of darkroom stuff.

04-27-2016, 12:22 PM	#8
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381 Original Poster	Many thanks, people. Will follow up these leads and see what turns up.

05-11-2016, 03:25 AM	#9
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	pathdoc, what is your recipe for stand development? temp. time, agitation etc.

05-11-2016, 04:35 AM	#10
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381 Original Poster	Originally posted by beachgardener pathdoc, what is your recipe for stand development? temp. time, agitation etc. I don't have one yet because I don't have easy access to liquid developers (Henry's, even though they have a branch in Newfoundland, won't let me buy Ilford liquid developer online, for example) - it would have to be ordered in at significant cost, which is why I'm asking for advice on what to get and where to get it before taking the plunge.

05-11-2016, 05:33 AM	#11
HYS Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 377	Originally posted by Arvid I use Ilford Ilfotec HC for semi stand development all the time and I am quite satisfied with the results. It's their interpretation of Kodak HC 110. I really can't compare it to other developers since that bottle lasts forever and I am not willing to buy another developer before I finish this one. Next thing I want to try is Caffenol, though. There are different recipes that seem to be suitable for stand development, too, and what I have seen on the Internet looks really good. Just to add something more. In my film era I had the chance to work with Tetenal developers and I would say I got excellent negatives with them. Tetenal ULTRAFIN and PARANOL S (similar formula as Rodinal) are highly recommendable. The first one is a is the so called "fine grain developer" and a is little dissolving the grain, the second one gives sharp edges of the film grains. I am sure you will find a supplier.

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05-11-2016, 05:38 AM - 1 Like	#12
Shell650 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Halifax, NS, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 87	I tried to find this link for my earlier post but just found it now. Photo supply company in Toronto that ships "Canada wide via Canada Post Expedited Parcel or Xpresspost". Seems to have a good list of chemistry: FilmPlus \| 416-535-3747 \| Toronto, Canada Again, good luck!

04-06-2017, 06:31 AM	#13
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381 Original Poster	Originally posted by HYS or Ilford Ilfosol-3 Film Developer. I have secured some Ilfosol S, its close cousin (predecessor?) and am tempted to give it a go. Does anyone have a starting point for dilutions and times?

04-08-2017, 12:35 PM	#14
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,692	IMO the risks involved in stand development equal any potential benefits. I have never understood its appeal. Maybe it's some kind of Zen thing? Chris

04-09-2017, 06:43 AM	#15
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381 Original Poster	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt IMO the risks involved in stand development equal any potential benefits. I have never understood its appeal. Maybe it's some kind of Zen thing? Chris IIRC the claim is that the highlights develop fast, then the developer in proximity to the film becomes exhausted; after this, the shadows then develop slowly but extensively by diffusion and one can end up with an improved result. Because the developing time is very, very long, small variations on the order of thirty to sixty seconds (e.g. pour-out time for large Patterson tanks) are not critical, nor is temperature (within sane limits) - and the volumes of developer used are very small. In addition, Rodinal - which is the go-to for this system - is supposed to have an unusually long shelf-life once opened, so it also benefits photographers who don't get into the darkroom much, don't want their solutions going bad on them, and want to economise on developer. I have no doubt there is currently a hipster element to it. I would be interested to hear you expound upon the risks. One thing I can say for sure - as with Caffenol (which I also have yet to try), it's not something I'd trust once-in-a-lifetime pics with until I was confident in the process.