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**Viking42** · 02-03-2021, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by tuco

I think the cool color cast from early morning light or warm late afternoon light is something you often want to capture instead of canceling it out with a filter. But old-school negative film color printing you could correct color temperature when making the print to a degree if you wanted to. And of course scanning color balance is a choice you get to make as well without filters. It's slide film where the first generation image is where you want to color corrected the most with filters. With negative film, it's all about the medium of the second generation image (eg print, computer screen)

So no filters for you then?

Me neither, but I was just curious. Seems like it's far preferable to adjust in PP than to have to live with the wrong choice of filter. The only issue I ever had with colour balance on neg scans was that Portra 160 on the sunny day Iceland shots (which was more than likely the vintage lens adding it's own colour cast). Other than that, it's never been a problem.

Last edited by Viking42; 02-03-2021 at 07:28 PM.

tuco · 02-05-2021, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Viking42

So no filters for you then?

Me neither, but I was just curious. Seems like it's far preferable to adjust in PP than to have to live with the wrong choice of filter. The only issue I ever had with colour balance on neg scans was that Portra 160 on the sunny day Iceland shots (which was more than likely the vintage lens adding it's own colour cast). Other than that, it's never been a problem.

Well, I don't shoot a lot of color negative film. And I don't do old-school wet color printing anymore. So there is not much need to use warm/cool color to adjust color balance with that film in general. But I started doing my own E-6 development last year. That film can be real sensitive to excess blue in shadows and weather conditions. So I'll use filters with slide film so they look okay on a light table.

stevebrot · 02-05-2021, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Viking42

As a general question re. colour correction filters, do any of you use them as a matter of routine with colour neg films to correct for differing daylight conditions? E.g. overcast, shade, full sun, etc.

I own a couple of warming filters, but can count the number of times I have used them on the fingers of one hand.

Steve

**Viking42** · 02-05-2021, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I own a couple of warming filters, but can count the number of times I have used them on the fingers of one hand.

Steve

Me also -- I think I might still have one tucked away somewhere. Probably bought in the early '80s. I don't think I've ever used it.

**gofour3** · 02-06-2021, 10:49 PM

I use a Skylight filter at the minimum for all my colour shooting. Especially important with slide film, even the new E100.

Phil.

**Viking42** · 02-07-2021, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by gofour3

I use a Skylight filter at the minimum for all my colour shooting. Especially important with slide film, even the new E100.

Phil.

Good one Phil. That little touch of warmth makes a difference. Haven't shot slide film in many years...might have to try it again one day.

stevebrot · 02-07-2021, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by gofour3

I use a Skylight filter at the minimum for all my colour shooting. Especially important with slide film, even the new E100.

Phil.

Meaning skylight 1A or 1B? While some online "experts" claim that 1A is clear glass, such is not the case in my filter box; those I have are light pink. It has been years since I have shot slide film, but if I were to start again today, I would be using those filters.

Steve

**gofour3** · 02-07-2021, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Meaning skylight 1A or 1B? While some online "experts" claim that 1A is clear glass, such is not the case in my filter box; those I have are light pink. It has been years since I have shot slide film, but if I were to start again today, I would be using those filters.

Steve

Skylight, KR 1.5 (1A), yep it's slight pink in colour. (I use an 81A/81B when it's more cloudy out.)

Phil.

tuco · 02-08-2021, 11:19 AM

Provia 100F is really blue sensitive in the shadows. If you apply a warming filter to the fix the blue in the shadows here, it might be at the expense of the sunny parts. I did some studio lighting shots with 100F and E100. A 100F shot that was a little blue with no filter but was too warm with an 81B that I tried. But with the same lighting and no filter the Ektachrome E100 did just fine. So you have to experiment with level of warming filters vs film type.

Provia 100F

**ChrisPlatt** · 02-09-2021, 11:09 PM - **1 Like**

If you watch eBay you will occasionally find a good deal on so-called "Moose" filters, a combination of 81A warming filter and circular polarizer.
These were introduced about 20 years ago and were quite popular among color slide shooters.
I have several in my most often used sizes, though my linear polarizers are more often used.

Chris

stevebrot · 02-10-2021, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

If you watch eBay you will occasionally find a good deal on so-called "Moose" filters, a combination of 81A warming filter and circular polarizer.

I am pretty sure they are still available new. At least Adorama has them...

https://www.adorama.com/hy52cplw.html?

Steve

womble · 03-01-2021, 03:43 PM - **1 Like**

Just sent off my last two rolls of Pro 400H. One was shot in my Yashica Mat 124G, the other in my Ondu pinhole camera. (Funnily enough I send five films off to be developed this afternoon and they were all taken using different cameras!)

BarneyL · 04-25-2021, 12:15 PM

I bought last batch (10 pieces) at my local supplier for around 10 euros per 35mm roll. Now on eBay I see rolls listed (and sold) for like, 25 euros a piece.

World is going crazy...

Jonathan Mac · 04-26-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by BarneyL

I bought last batch (10 pieces) at my local supplier for around 10 euros per 35mm roll. Now on eBay I see rolls listed (and sold) for like, 25 euros a piece.

World is going crazy...

€10 a roll was a good price. I've read reports of 400H going for crazy money now.

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02-03-2021, 04:17 PM	#46
Viking42 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Caledon, Ontario, Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 504	Originally posted by tuco I think the cool color cast from early morning light or warm late afternoon light is something you often want to capture instead of canceling it out with a filter. But old-school negative film color printing you could correct color temperature when making the print to a degree if you wanted to. And of course scanning color balance is a choice you get to make as well without filters. It's slide film where the first generation image is where you want to color corrected the most with filters. With negative film, it's all about the medium of the second generation image (eg print, computer screen) So no filters for you then? Me neither, but I was just curious. Seems like it's far preferable to adjust in PP than to have to live with the wrong choice of filter. The only issue I ever had with colour balance on neg scans was that Portra 160 on the sunny day Iceland shots (which was more than likely the vintage lens adding it's own colour cast). Other than that, it's never been a problem. Last edited by Viking42; 02-03-2021 at 07:28 PM.

02-05-2021, 11:47 AM	#47
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	Originally posted by Viking42 So no filters for you then? Me neither, but I was just curious. Seems like it's far preferable to adjust in PP than to have to live with the wrong choice of filter. The only issue I ever had with colour balance on neg scans was that Portra 160 on the sunny day Iceland shots (which was more than likely the vintage lens adding it's own colour cast). Other than that, it's never been a problem. Well, I don't shoot a lot of color negative film. And I don't do old-school wet color printing anymore. So there is not much need to use warm/cool color to adjust color balance with that film in general. But I started doing my own E-6 development last year. That film can be real sensitive to excess blue in shadows and weather conditions. So I'll use filters with slide film so they look okay on a light table.

02-05-2021, 12:07 PM	#48
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Viking42 As a general question re. colour correction filters, do any of you use them as a matter of routine with colour neg films to correct for differing daylight conditions? E.g. overcast, shade, full sun, etc. I own a couple of warming filters, but can count the number of times I have used them on the fingers of one hand. Steve

02-05-2021, 06:21 PM	#49
Viking42 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Caledon, Ontario, Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 504	Originally posted by stevebrot I own a couple of warming filters, but can count the number of times I have used them on the fingers of one hand. Steve Me also -- I think I might still have one tucked away somewhere. Probably bought in the early '80s. I don't think I've ever used it.

02-06-2021, 10:49 PM	#50
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,092	I use a Skylight filter at the minimum for all my colour shooting. Especially important with slide film, even the new E100. Phil.

02-07-2021, 03:57 PM	#51
Viking42 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Caledon, Ontario, Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 504	Originally posted by gofour3 I use a Skylight filter at the minimum for all my colour shooting. Especially important with slide film, even the new E100. Phil. Good one Phil. That little touch of warmth makes a difference. Haven't shot slide film in many years...might have to try it again one day.

02-07-2021, 07:42 PM	#52
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by gofour3 I use a Skylight filter at the minimum for all my colour shooting. Especially important with slide film, even the new E100. Phil. Meaning skylight 1A or 1B? While some online "experts" claim that 1A is clear glass, such is not the case in my filter box; those I have are light pink. It has been years since I have shot slide film, but if I were to start again today, I would be using those filters. Steve

02-07-2021, 08:34 PM	#53
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,092	Originally posted by stevebrot Meaning skylight 1A or 1B? While some online "experts" claim that 1A is clear glass, such is not the case in my filter box; those I have are light pink. It has been years since I have shot slide film, but if I were to start again today, I would be using those filters. Steve Skylight, KR 1.5 (1A), yep it's slight pink in colour. (I use an 81A/81B when it's more cloudy out.) Phil.

02-08-2021, 11:19 AM	#54
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	Provia 100F is really blue sensitive in the shadows. If you apply a warming filter to the fix the blue in the shadows here, it might be at the expense of the sunny parts. I did some studio lighting shots with 100F and E100. A 100F shot that was a little blue with no filter but was too warm with an 81B that I tried. But with the same lighting and no filter the Ektachrome E100 did just fine. So you have to experiment with level of warming filters vs film type. Provia 100F

02-09-2021, 11:09 PM - 1 Like	#55
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,697	If you watch eBay you will occasionally find a good deal on so-called "Moose" filters, a combination of 81A warming filter and circular polarizer. These were introduced about 20 years ago and were quite popular among color slide shooters. I have several in my most often used sizes, though my linear polarizers are more often used. Chris

02-10-2021, 02:47 PM	#56
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt If you watch eBay you will occasionally find a good deal on so-called "Moose" filters, a combination of 81A warming filter and circular polarizer. I am pretty sure they are still available new. At least Adorama has them... https://www.adorama.com/hy52cplw.html? Steve

03-01-2021, 03:43 PM - 1 Like	#57
womble Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hertfordshire Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,324	Just sent off my last two rolls of Pro 400H. One was shot in my Yashica Mat 124G, the other in my Ondu pinhole camera. (Funnily enough I send five films off to be developed this afternoon and they were all taken using different cameras!)

04-25-2021, 12:15 PM	#58
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 899 Original Poster	I bought last batch (10 pieces) at my local supplier for around 10 euros per 35mm roll. Now on eBay I see rolls listed (and sold) for like, 25 euros a piece. World is going crazy...

04-26-2021, 01:29 PM	#59
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,911	Originally posted by BarneyL I bought last batch (10 pieces) at my local supplier for around 10 euros per 35mm roll. Now on eBay I see rolls listed (and sold) for like, 25 euros a piece. World is going crazy... €10 a roll was a good price. I've read reports of 400H going for crazy money now.

Is Fujifilm Pro 400H discontinued?

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