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FullertonImages · 12-26-2010, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

Cool video, like it. Made me smile

Babya is a cool name too. Let's hope it's a girl though

Thanks. Haha. The Baby A thing is a bit of a joke, because for a while now Genny and I have been pretty focal with the fact that we have chosen a name for her (she is a girl, or at least she better be), and that we're not telling anyone what it is. So are friends and family are always trying to extract it out of us, and we're always egging them on with taunts and clues. We decided to give everyone the first initial 'A' for a Christmas present.

PALADIN85020 · 12-27-2010, 01:58 PM

Really great! As a rank newcomer to DSLR video, I'd like to ask a basic question. How did you edit/merge the various clips? Is there some sort of software available that's not really expensive? I've just done some video test shots - the HD resolution is quite impressive.

John

FullertonImages · 12-27-2010, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by GlennG

Thanks for all the great information on the focus techniques. Sounds like there is a lot to learn.

Glenn

Of course there is. But that's why it's so fun! If there wasn't a whole lot to learn, it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

FullertonImages · 12-28-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by PALADIN85020

Really great! As a rank newcomer to DSLR video, I'd like to ask a basic question. How did you edit/merge the various clips? Is there some sort of software available that's not really expensive? I've just done some video test shots - the HD resolution is quite impressive.

John

John,

This was edited together in Final Cut Express, which is a pretty capable, middle of the road program, and is pretty affordable at $200. On the real cheap, you can get decent results with basic operations from iMovie, but I always found the user interface and learning curve to be a bit annoying. For how limited it is, I would think it should be easier to learn. And since my aspirations with video have always been towards professional video, my logic was that I shouldn't waste time learning iMovie, if I'm invariably going to upgrade to one of the pro level editing suites. But if you only want to make videos for fun, it might very well be worth your while. I've seen some pretty good stuff come out of iMovie.

I decided to start with FCE, since it's the same basic controls as Final Cut Studio, and I figured that way, when I upgrade, I will already be familiar with it. The only downer is that FCE is not upgradable to FCS, so even if you already have FCE, you still have to pay full price to get FCS. And at the moment, I'm still a bit torn between if I want togo with Final Cut Studio 7 or Adobe Premier Pro CS5.

Cheers,
Ben

falconeye · 12-28-2010, 08:07 PM

Ben,
as we are at it, do you have an educated opinion about FCe vs Adobe Premiere Elements 9? I hear that both programs leave a lot to desire, esp. in their support for 1080p or intuitive controls. E.g., I was put off in APE that a still photo cannot be imported at full size and therefore, a full Ken Burns effect will show jaggies. And the time involved to figure it out...

Don Boyd · 12-28-2010, 08:29 PM

Ben, thanks for sharing. It puts a very personal touch on the use of video, and reminds me that story and people are far more important than technique. Lovely family.

FullertonImages · 12-29-2010, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

Ben,
as we are at it, do you have an educated opinion about FCe vs Adobe Premiere Elements 9? I hear that both programs leave a lot to desire, esp. in their support for 1080p or intuitive controls. E.g., I was put off in APE that a still photo cannot be imported at full size and therefore, a full Ken Burns effect will show jaggies. And the time involved to figure it out...

Falcon,
Sorry, but I don't have any experience with Adobe Premiere Elements. I have so far only used FCE. But in my researching about Final Cut vs Premier, it seems like they are very comparable, with each on being slightly better at different things. They seem to be in very much the situation as Lightroom and Aperture, where it becomes more an issue of preference and opinion, and if there is a better program, it is very marginal, and changes back and forth with various releases. I would assume the same to be true for FCE vs APE.

falconeye · 12-29-2010, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by FullertonImages

Falcon,
Sorry, but I don't have any experience with Adobe Premiere Elements. I have so far only used FCE. But in my researching about Final Cut vs Premier, it seems like they are very comparable, with each on being slightly better at different things. They seem to be in very much the situation as Lightroom and Aperture, where it becomes more an issue of preference and opinion, and if there is a better program, it is very marginal, and changes back and forth with various releases. I would assume the same to be true for FCE vs APE.

Thanks. But is it correct that the current version of FCE cannot import native K-5 data, i.e. 1080p at 25p? It would be hard to believe...

FullertonImages · 12-29-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

Thanks. But is it correct that the current version of FCE cannot import native K-5 data, i.e. 1080p at 25p? It would be hard to believe...

I have the feeling that might be true. The video I did was 720p30, so that worked fine. But I have yet to work on something at full 1080p25 in FCE. I'l do it soon and will let you know. If it doesn't, it's not a huge deal to transcode into something else. But it would be nicer to have native support.

**sholtzma** · 12-29-2010, 07:31 PM

Ben, nice inspiring video.

If I recall what you told me, the due date is coming up soon. Best of luck to you and Genny in the New Year!

Cheers,
Seth

FullertonImages · 12-30-2010, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by sholtzma

Ben, nice inspiring video.

If I recall what you told me, the due date is coming up soon. Best of luck to you and Genny in the New Year!

Cheers,
Seth

Thanks, Seth!

Yup, we're in the final week. Could be any day now, yikes!

kenyee · 12-30-2010, 12:32 PM

Nice job on the video..I'm sure you'll get good use of it when the crawling one comes along :-)
First evidence I've seen of jello shutter on the K5 though :-P
The short pan sequence w/ the tree leaves near the start and the final sequence w/ the bow on yourself, unless that's youtube messing with the video...

Manel Brand · 12-30-2010, 12:48 PM

Great! Thanks for sharing.

FullertonImages · 12-31-2010, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by kenyee

Nice job on the video..I'm sure you'll get good use of it when the crawling one comes along :-)
First evidence I've seen of jello shutter on the K5 though :-P
The short pan sequence w/ the tree leaves near the start and the final sequence w/ the bow on yourself, unless that's youtube messing with the video...

Thanks. I'm fairly sure that it is just vimeo playing back a bit choppy. Because I've noticed it a few times, but it seems like it's always in a different place. The panning shot was on a tripod with a fluid head, so I don't think there would be the high frequency camera shake that produces wobble, plus I think it was panning too slowly to produce skew. And the dolly push in on the belly was on a tripod on a dolly, so that was also a rock solid shot, and I don't think I was pushing fast enough to create skew.

So, I think that it is most likely a playback issue, because Idon't think the right kind of speed of movements needed to create any jello effects were present. Also, that bow is on my wife's belly. I'm not pregnant.

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12-26-2010, 10:39 PM	#16
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by falconeye Cool video, like it. Made me smile Babya is a cool name too. Let's hope it's a girl though Thanks. Haha. The Baby A thing is a bit of a joke, because for a while now Genny and I have been pretty focal with the fact that we have chosen a name for her (she is a girl, or at least she better be), and that we're not telling anyone what it is. So are friends and family are always trying to extract it out of us, and we're always egging them on with taunts and clues. We decided to give everyone the first initial 'A' for a Christmas present.

12-27-2010, 01:58 PM	#17
PALADIN85020 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 442	Really great! As a rank newcomer to DSLR video, I'd like to ask a basic question. How did you edit/merge the various clips? Is there some sort of software available that's not really expensive? I've just done some video test shots - the HD resolution is quite impressive. John

12-27-2010, 08:19 PM	#18
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by GlennG Thanks for all the great information on the focus techniques. Sounds like there is a lot to learn. Glenn Of course there is. But that's why it's so fun! If there wasn't a whole lot to learn, it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

12-28-2010, 01:36 PM	#19
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by PALADIN85020 Really great! As a rank newcomer to DSLR video, I'd like to ask a basic question. How did you edit/merge the various clips? Is there some sort of software available that's not really expensive? I've just done some video test shots - the HD resolution is quite impressive. John John, This was edited together in Final Cut Express, which is a pretty capable, middle of the road program, and is pretty affordable at $200. On the real cheap, you can get decent results with basic operations from iMovie, but I always found the user interface and learning curve to be a bit annoying. For how limited it is, I would think it should be easier to learn. And since my aspirations with video have always been towards professional video, my logic was that I shouldn't waste time learning iMovie, if I'm invariably going to upgrade to one of the pro level editing suites. But if you only want to make videos for fun, it might very well be worth your while. I've seen some pretty good stuff come out of iMovie. I decided to start with FCE, since it's the same basic controls as Final Cut Studio, and I figured that way, when I upgrade, I will already be familiar with it. The only downer is that FCE is not upgradable to FCS, so even if you already have FCE, you still have to pay full price to get FCS. And at the moment, I'm still a bit torn between if I want togo with Final Cut Studio 7 or Adobe Premier Pro CS5. Cheers, Ben

12-28-2010, 08:07 PM	#20
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Ben, as we are at it, do you have an educated opinion about FCe vs Adobe Premiere Elements 9? I hear that both programs leave a lot to desire, esp. in their support for 1080p or intuitive controls. E.g., I was put off in APE that a still photo cannot be imported at full size and therefore, a full Ken Burns effect will show jaggies. And the time involved to figure it out...

12-28-2010, 08:29 PM	#21
Don Boyd Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Socorro, NM Posts: 68	Ben, thanks for sharing. It puts a very personal touch on the use of video, and reminds me that story and people are far more important than technique. Lovely family.

12-29-2010, 04:12 PM	#22
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by falconeye Ben, as we are at it, do you have an educated opinion about FCe vs Adobe Premiere Elements 9? I hear that both programs leave a lot to desire, esp. in their support for 1080p or intuitive controls. E.g., I was put off in APE that a still photo cannot be imported at full size and therefore, a full Ken Burns effect will show jaggies. And the time involved to figure it out... Falcon, Sorry, but I don't have any experience with Adobe Premiere Elements. I have so far only used FCE. But in my researching about Final Cut vs Premier, it seems like they are very comparable, with each on being slightly better at different things. They seem to be in very much the situation as Lightroom and Aperture, where it becomes more an issue of preference and opinion, and if there is a better program, it is very marginal, and changes back and forth with various releases. I would assume the same to be true for FCE vs APE.

12-29-2010, 05:31 PM	#23
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by FullertonImages Falcon, Sorry, but I don't have any experience with Adobe Premiere Elements. I have so far only used FCE. But in my researching about Final Cut vs Premier, it seems like they are very comparable, with each on being slightly better at different things. They seem to be in very much the situation as Lightroom and Aperture, where it becomes more an issue of preference and opinion, and if there is a better program, it is very marginal, and changes back and forth with various releases. I would assume the same to be true for FCE vs APE. Thanks. But is it correct that the current version of FCE cannot import native K-5 data, i.e. 1080p at 25p? It would be hard to believe...

12-29-2010, 05:37 PM	#24
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by falconeye Thanks. But is it correct that the current version of FCE cannot import native K-5 data, i.e. 1080p at 25p? It would be hard to believe... I have the feeling that might be true. The video I did was 720p30, so that worked fine. But I have yet to work on something at full 1080p25 in FCE. I'l do it soon and will let you know. If it doesn't, it's not a huge deal to transcode into something else. But it would be nicer to have native support.

12-29-2010, 07:31 PM	#25
sholtzma Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Salisbury, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,043	Ben, nice inspiring video. If I recall what you told me, the due date is coming up soon. Best of luck to you and Genny in the New Year! Cheers, Seth

12-30-2010, 11:39 AM	#26
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by sholtzma Ben, nice inspiring video. If I recall what you told me, the due date is coming up soon. Best of luck to you and Genny in the New Year! Cheers, Seth Thanks, Seth! Yup, we're in the final week. Could be any day now, yikes!

12-30-2010, 12:32 PM	#27
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Nice job on the video..I'm sure you'll get good use of it when the crawling one comes along :-) First evidence I've seen of jello shutter on the K5 though :-P The short pan sequence w/ the tree leaves near the start and the final sequence w/ the bow on yourself, unless that's youtube messing with the video...

12-30-2010, 12:48 PM	#28
Manel Brand Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Porto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 853	Great! Thanks for sharing.

12-31-2010, 12:04 PM	#29
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883 Original Poster	Originally posted by kenyee Nice job on the video..I'm sure you'll get good use of it when the crawling one comes along :-) First evidence I've seen of jello shutter on the K5 though :-P The short pan sequence w/ the tree leaves near the start and the final sequence w/ the bow on yourself, unless that's youtube messing with the video... Thanks. I'm fairly sure that it is just vimeo playing back a bit choppy. Because I've noticed it a few times, but it seems like it's always in a different place. The panning shot was on a tripod with a fluid head, so I don't think there would be the high frequency camera shake that produces wobble, plus I think it was panning too slowly to produce skew. And the dolly push in on the belly was on a tripod on a dolly, so that was also a rock solid shot, and I don't think I was pushing fast enough to create skew. So, I think that it is most likely a playback issue, because Idon't think the right kind of speed of movements needed to create any jello effects were present. Also, that bow is on my wife's belly. I'm not pregnant.

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