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bikecoboss · 03-26-2011, 08:14 AM

I agree this is a thread to be ignored, but only after some of the Aussies here explain what heck this means! I mean, why the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks can't we use language we all understand...

Originally posted by Schraubstock

Fair suck of the sauce bottle

Originally posted by wizofoz

Fair suck of the saveloy

JeffJS · 03-26-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Couscousdelight

More i read this message in original language (french), more i think than it's a 5 YO kid talking about his new toy.

Trop de bruit ? (too much noise ?) Rafale horrible (awfull burst mode)... lol : troll.

Don't loose your time guys, stop feeding that troll.

Or it is posted for pure sarcasm. I haven't lost any time but I may Lose time, if I continue reading these forums. Then again, my time constraints are fairly loose.

bikecoboss · 03-26-2011, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by JeffJS

Or it is posted for pure sarcasm

That's a good point, some forms of humor don't travel well on the internet; on re-reading the OP could have been trying to be facetious, and it was lost in the translation engine? I'll cut him some slack...

Chaos_Realm · 03-26-2011, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by bikecoboss

I agree this is a thread to be ignored, but only after some of the Aussies here explain what heck this means! I mean, why the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks can't we use language we all understand...

Aussie slang can be very difficult to translate (even for aussies) as the same saying can have different meanings in different area codes.

fair suck of the sauce bottle,

the versions I know are basically like saying "you've got to be joking"
and "give us a fair go"

Rupert · 03-26-2011, 08:53 AM

Otis has a question for you.....have you been drinking? Otis was drinking here at ISO 3200, but claims he can't tell much difference when he drinks at ISO 200. Otis drinks really good stuff, but thinks maybe you got a bottle of "Rot-Gut" that is causing some brain damage? He is very concerned that you have a serious condition and advises that you seek help immediately before you bungle around someplace and get yourself injured......like here!

Otis likes to keep his drinking water sanitized with a few ounces of Vodka....just for sanitary purposes, you understand!

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Best Regards! & Send that K5 back so someone will get to give it the Happy Home it deserves!

Parallax · 03-26-2011, 09:05 AM

Did Otis show up again? Is he going to do the right thing and make an honest ~~woman~~ squirrel of her?

**Fontan** · 03-26-2011, 09:08 AM

Eh, first, I did not start this thread using a separate account, I swear.

I did laugh my ass off though. Nearly the same set of guys all over again. I think that you guys got hooked (again?). Majority of the responses and the type of responses were what the original poster was looking to get for his amusement.

The noise thing. As smc showed, there is no argument there. Especially if you shoot wildlife, high ISO performance will allow you to go with a higher shutter speed. They only stay still for a very short period at a time. If you shoot with an extremely long tele, this may be even more of an advantage for obvious reasons.

Then I got curious about this video thing, which I know absolutely nothing about. I have not used not once the video mode on my K-7. I actually got scared for a second that perhaps 645D had a video mode. Thank Buddha that there was no such a thing.

So 32 Gb to shoot for 10 min? Wow. That is a lot files. Nearly 200 Gb for an hour long footage. I don't think that commercial shooters would like that. If the poster was expecting a commercial level video camera performance, that is dumb.

Live View not being a default for a video mode does sound superbly retarded though. But then, how long is the battery going to last when recording 3.2 Gb of info every minute while running continuously in the Live View mode? I am sure that if you shot video for a living, you probably laugh at that. But as someone said, this is not a video camera.

Unable to adjust film speed (ISO) therefore having to automatically adjust within the same series . . . Is that what he is saying? I think I understand it, but not sure if doing that correctly. If ISO is set at the beginning of the footage, and then you pan across to an area with more light, and ISO not being adjusted. Hm . . . Yes I think this can be a problem, and I think I see some of that in the video that was posted. For example, a varying degree of over exposure in the background within the same series - I think they are there.

So I am wondering what the criteria or the definitions of commercially adequate quality in video shooting. I am sure that this has changed tremendously with the arrival of HD. Optical quality was probably not often a primary concern, because the devices used to view the output were not good enough. Optically, DSLR set up is infinitely superior than most of the video cameras out there. Shot with a fast prime with good footwork cannot possibly be beat by a tiny zoom, even if it was carl zeiss. So I am guessing that optical performance is just another part, important it may be, but not majority of it as in stills. I dunno.

So I don't think that DSLR and Video have merged, although they look like they are beginning to. I dunno. But at this point in the game, buying a DSLR and expect a commercial video quality is silly. I am certain that he doesn't own K-5 (lol).

Last edited by Fontan; 03-26-2011 at 09:17 AM.

Parallax · 03-26-2011, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

So I don't think that DSLR and Video have merged, although they look like they are beginning to. I dunno. But at this point in the game, buying a DSLR and expect a commercial video quality is silly. I am certain that he doesn't own K-5 (lol).

Yep, it's like buying a smart phone and complaining that the camera features and picture quality don't match that of a DSLR.

Chex · 03-26-2011, 09:17 AM

I have no problems with the video mode for the K-5, it is definitely not as well featured as other camera's but I don't buy a camera for video.. as long as you put in a little practice manual focusing, you have no problem. using my 43mm Ltd, I can use my right hands middle finger to manual focus while holding the cam. Almost as easy as a point and shoot.

bikecoboss · 03-26-2011, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

So 32 Gb to shoot for 10 min? Wow. That is a lot files. Nearly 200 Gb for an hour long footage

I think the ten minute limit has to do with the file format, which allows for a maximum of 2 Gb per file. You have to re-start every ten minutes, but you can fit more on a 32 Gb card.

For events and interviews, it's not good, but for most every day video, or if you're shooting a real scripted video ten minutes is a really long shot.

**Fontan** · 03-26-2011, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by bikecoboss

I think the ten minute limit has to do with the file format, which allows for a maximum of 2 Gb per file. You have to re-start every ten minutes, but you can fit more on a 32 Gb card.

For events and interviews, it's not good, but for most every day video, or if you're shooting a real scripted video ten minutes is a really long shot.

See, I know nothing about video. Thanks for that. Now this format theng. Are there many different formats in videos? And if so why so many? Is one superior in one way over another (ie easier to edit or faster to buffer or some crap like that)? What is the format that is commercially accepted?

RonHendriks1966 · 03-26-2011, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by creampuff

I don't know why you guys feel the K-5 is not strong in video.
Take a look at the following video clips (in Mandarin) and you'll know why the K-5 rocks... take a look at the swimming pool shot with the DA* 55mm f/1.4 SDM... WR folks...
The shoot was sponsored by the Pentax agent for Malaysia.

Making of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6Gng4j0ao

O my god, the AF isn't even working when you are shooting in a pool.

I love that videowork, amazing when you don't have to worry about your gear.

**Rondec** · 03-26-2011, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

See, I know nothing about video. Thanks for that. Now this format theng. Are there many different formats in videos? And if so why so many? Is one superior in one way over another (ie easier to edit or faster to buffer or some crap like that)? What is the format that is commercially accepted?

Most camcorders that take HD video use some form of AVCHD which is a much compressed from the Mjpeg (avi) format which pentax uses on their cameras. AVCHD files require much more computer power to process. I have difficulty watching my brother's Canon native files on my computer without converting them first, whereas the K7 files play just fine with the appropriate codec. On the other hand, AVCHD takes up a lot less space than do the AVI files.

bikecoboss · 03-26-2011, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

Are there many different formats in videos?

The number and types of video codex was enough to drive me crazy - and back to still photography.

DogLover · 03-26-2011, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

Eh, first, I did not start this thread using a separate account, I swear.

I swear that I was just about to post that perhaps you had done just such a thing.

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03-26-2011, 08:14 AM	#31
bikecoboss Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pemberton BC Posts: 238	I agree this is a thread to be ignored, but only after some of the Aussies here explain what heck this means! I mean, why the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks can't we use language we all understand... Originally posted by Schraubstock Fair suck of the sauce bottle Originally posted by wizofoz Fair suck of the saveloy

03-26-2011, 08:20 AM	#32
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by Couscousdelight More i read this message in original language (french), more i think than it's a 5 YO kid talking about his new toy. Trop de bruit ? (too much noise ?) Rafale horrible (awfull burst mode)... lol : troll. Don't loose your time guys, stop feeding that troll. Or it is posted for pure sarcasm. I haven't lost any time but I may Lose time, if I continue reading these forums. Then again, my time constraints are fairly loose.

03-26-2011, 08:31 AM	#33
bikecoboss Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pemberton BC Posts: 238	Originally posted by JeffJS Or it is posted for pure sarcasm That's a good point, some forms of humor don't travel well on the internet; on re-reading the OP could have been trying to be facetious, and it was lost in the translation engine? I'll cut him some slack...

03-26-2011, 08:36 AM	#34
Chaos_Realm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,251	Originally posted by bikecoboss I agree this is a thread to be ignored, but only after some of the Aussies here explain what heck this means! I mean, why the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks can't we use language we all understand... Aussie slang can be very difficult to translate (even for aussies) as the same saying can have different meanings in different area codes. fair suck of the sauce bottle, the versions I know are basically like saying "you've got to be joking" and "give us a fair go"

03-26-2011, 08:53 AM	#35
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Otis has a question for you.....have you been drinking? Otis was drinking here at ISO 3200, but claims he can't tell much difference when he drinks at ISO 200. Otis drinks really good stuff, but thinks maybe you got a bottle of "Rot-Gut" that is causing some brain damage? He is very concerned that you have a serious condition and advises that you seek help immediately before you bungle around someplace and get yourself injured......like here! Otis likes to keep his drinking water sanitized with a few ounces of Vodka....just for sanitary purposes, you understand! [IMG] [/IMG] Best Regards! & Send that K5 back so someone will get to give it the Happy Home it deserves!

03-26-2011, 09:05 AM	#36
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Did Otis show up again? Is he going to do the right thing and make an honest ~~woman~~ squirrel of her?

03-26-2011, 09:08 AM	#37
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Eh, first, I did not start this thread using a separate account, I swear. I did laugh my ass off though. Nearly the same set of guys all over again. I think that you guys got hooked (again?). Majority of the responses and the type of responses were what the original poster was looking to get for his amusement. The noise thing. As smc showed, there is no argument there. Especially if you shoot wildlife, high ISO performance will allow you to go with a higher shutter speed. They only stay still for a very short period at a time. If you shoot with an extremely long tele, this may be even more of an advantage for obvious reasons. Then I got curious about this video thing, which I know absolutely nothing about. I have not used not once the video mode on my K-7. I actually got scared for a second that perhaps 645D had a video mode. Thank Buddha that there was no such a thing. So 32 Gb to shoot for 10 min? Wow. That is a lot files. Nearly 200 Gb for an hour long footage. I don't think that commercial shooters would like that. If the poster was expecting a commercial level video camera performance, that is dumb. Live View not being a default for a video mode does sound superbly retarded though. But then, how long is the battery going to last when recording 3.2 Gb of info every minute while running continuously in the Live View mode? I am sure that if you shot video for a living, you probably laugh at that. But as someone said, this is not a video camera. Unable to adjust film speed (ISO) therefore having to automatically adjust within the same series . . . Is that what he is saying? I think I understand it, but not sure if doing that correctly. If ISO is set at the beginning of the footage, and then you pan across to an area with more light, and ISO not being adjusted. Hm . . . Yes I think this can be a problem, and I think I see some of that in the video that was posted. For example, a varying degree of over exposure in the background within the same series - I think they are there. So I am wondering what the criteria or the definitions of commercially adequate quality in video shooting. I am sure that this has changed tremendously with the arrival of HD. Optical quality was probably not often a primary concern, because the devices used to view the output were not good enough. Optically, DSLR set up is infinitely superior than most of the video cameras out there. Shot with a fast prime with good footwork cannot possibly be beat by a tiny zoom, even if it was carl zeiss. So I am guessing that optical performance is just another part, important it may be, but not majority of it as in stills. I dunno. So I don't think that DSLR and Video have merged, although they look like they are beginning to. I dunno. But at this point in the game, buying a DSLR and expect a commercial video quality is silly. I am certain that he doesn't own K-5 (lol). Last edited by Fontan; 03-26-2011 at 09:17 AM.

03-26-2011, 09:15 AM	#38
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Fontan So I don't think that DSLR and Video have merged, although they look like they are beginning to. I dunno. But at this point in the game, buying a DSLR and expect a commercial video quality is silly. I am certain that he doesn't own K-5 (lol). Yep, it's like buying a smart phone and complaining that the camera features and picture quality don't match that of a DSLR.

03-26-2011, 09:17 AM	#39
Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	I have no problems with the video mode for the K-5, it is definitely not as well featured as other camera's but I don't buy a camera for video.. as long as you put in a little practice manual focusing, you have no problem. using my 43mm Ltd, I can use my right hands middle finger to manual focus while holding the cam. Almost as easy as a point and shoot.

03-26-2011, 09:24 AM	#40
bikecoboss Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pemberton BC Posts: 238	Originally posted by Fontan So 32 Gb to shoot for 10 min? Wow. That is a lot files. Nearly 200 Gb for an hour long footage I think the ten minute limit has to do with the file format, which allows for a maximum of 2 Gb per file. You have to re-start every ten minutes, but you can fit more on a 32 Gb card. For events and interviews, it's not good, but for most every day video, or if you're shooting a real scripted video ten minutes is a really long shot.

03-26-2011, 09:30 AM	#41
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by bikecoboss I think the ten minute limit has to do with the file format, which allows for a maximum of 2 Gb per file. You have to re-start every ten minutes, but you can fit more on a 32 Gb card. For events and interviews, it's not good, but for most every day video, or if you're shooting a real scripted video ten minutes is a really long shot. See, I know nothing about video. Thanks for that. Now this format theng. Are there many different formats in videos? And if so why so many? Is one superior in one way over another (ie easier to edit or faster to buffer or some crap like that)? What is the format that is commercially accepted?

03-26-2011, 09:36 AM	#42
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by creampuff I don't know why you guys feel the K-5 is not strong in video. Take a look at the following video clips (in Mandarin) and you'll know why the K-5 rocks... take a look at the swimming pool shot with the DA* 55mm f/1.4 SDM... WR folks... The shoot was sponsored by the Pentax agent for Malaysia. Making of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6Gng4j0ao O my god, the AF isn't even working when you are shooting in a pool. I love that videowork, amazing when you don't have to worry about your gear.

03-26-2011, 09:41 AM	#43
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	Originally posted by Fontan See, I know nothing about video. Thanks for that. Now this format theng. Are there many different formats in videos? And if so why so many? Is one superior in one way over another (ie easier to edit or faster to buffer or some crap like that)? What is the format that is commercially accepted? Most camcorders that take HD video use some form of AVCHD which is a much compressed from the Mjpeg (avi) format which pentax uses on their cameras. AVCHD files require much more computer power to process. I have difficulty watching my brother's Canon native files on my computer without converting them first, whereas the K7 files play just fine with the appropriate codec. On the other hand, AVCHD takes up a lot less space than do the AVI files.

03-26-2011, 09:48 AM	#44
bikecoboss Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pemberton BC Posts: 238	Originally posted by Fontan Are there many different formats in videos? The number and types of video codex was enough to drive me crazy - and back to still photography.

03-26-2011, 09:50 AM	#45
DogLover Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,054	Originally posted by Fontan Eh, first, I did not start this thread using a separate account, I swear. I swear that I was just about to post that perhaps you had done just such a thing.

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