Adorama's First Look at the K-5 Mk.II

Docrwm · 09-21-2012, 11:02 AM

Pentax K-5 II and Pentax K-5 IIs Ruggedized DSLRs First Look from Adorama Learning Center

They also have a page up on the Q10:
http://www.adorama.com/ALC/News.aspx?googleid=0013884&alias=Pentax-Q10-Mirro...EmailALC092112

Not much there but these 2(3) cameras were featured in the email I got along with Hassy, Nikon, Canon, and the other bigger players.

GDRoth · 09-21-2012, 11:10 AM

Adorama describes the IIs as more of a studio camera and the II for where the photographer has less control over lighting..............

Can someone expound on that distinction? I don't quite understand what they mean by that. I thought the IIs delivered more detail due to the filter not being there....

Docrwm · 09-21-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by GDRoth

Adorama describes the IIs as more of a studio camera and the II for where the photographer has less control over lighting..............

Can someone expound on that distinction? I don't quite understand what they mean by that. I thought the IIs delivered more detail due to the filter not being there....

It's sharper without the AA filter but at the cost of moire patterns in the image. Studio folks have more control over what they are shooting, lighting, and other factors that would lead to moire appearing in the image. There is a better review here:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/199714-k-5-ii-vs-k...ml#post2108517

**photomission** · 09-21-2012, 11:15 AM

The K-5 IIs is more susceptible to moire patterns Moiré pattern - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in the studio you can avoid the problem because you have more control over conditions.

Na Horuk · 09-21-2012, 11:27 AM

But wouldn't there be less potential moire patterns out in nature, rather than with man-made and artificial objects?

Docrwm · 09-21-2012, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

But wouldn't there be less potential moire patterns out in nature, rather than with man-made and artificial objects?

If you are shooting nature per se' then probably yes. However, if you are shooting man made things, just outside, then no.

civiletti · 09-21-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by GDRoth

Adorama describes the IIs as more of a studio camera and the II for where the photographer has less control over lighting..............

Can someone expound on that distinction? I don't quite understand what they mean by that. I thought the IIs delivered more detail due to the filter not being there....

Not a good recommendation, I think. It's true that adjusting lighting can reduce moire, but who wants this concern to determine the lighting used? I'd suggest the K-5IIs for landscape and nature work, but not for imaging man-made items. Now, if you are shooting portraits and can eliminate clothing that might produce moire, go for the K-5IIs.

Of course, this hypothesis needs testing on the actual cameras.

FullertonImages · 09-21-2012, 01:13 PM

I'm by no means an expert on moire, but I don't see how outside or studio would matter. Moire is all about patterns that are incompatible with the grid-like nature of a sensor. You're either shooting a pattern that will cause moire, or you aren't; I don't see how inside or out, or what kind of lighting makes a difference. And from my experience shooting for Backpacker Mag, the things we shoot inside (backpacker, shoes, tents, whatever) are way more likely to moire than the stuff we shoot outside (hiking, nature, landscape and such). But like Docrwm said, that just comes down to what you're shooting. If you were shoot people inside, and architecture/patterns outside, you would probably have a bigger problem outside.

Docrwm · 09-21-2012, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by FullertonImages

I'm by no means an expert on moire, but I don't see how outside or studio would matter. Moire is all about patterns that are incompatible with the grid-like nature of a sensor. You're either shooting a pattern that will cause moire, or you aren't; I don't see how inside or out, or what kind of lighting makes a difference. And from my experience shooting for Backpacker Mag, the things we shoot inside (backpacker, shoes, tents, whatever) are way more likely to moire than the stuff we shoot outside (hiking, nature, landscape and such). But like Docrwm said, that just comes down to what you're shooting. If you were shoot people inside, and architecture/patterns outside, you would probably have a bigger problem outside.

The article I liked has some examples and offers that most moire can be handled in post, but not all. I am waiting to see output from the IIs and hear from users.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/199714-k-5-ii-vs-k...ml#post2108517

Adam · 09-21-2012, 01:43 PM

Frankly, the retail store bloggers know very little about Pentax products beyond the spec sheets and press releases they receive. At least that has been my impression.

Docrwm · 09-21-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Frankly, the retail store bloggers know very little about Pentax products beyond the spec sheets and press releases they receive. At least that has been my impression.

Yes, but I am more impressed that 2 of the 9 items featured in their email blast ad were Pentax cameras.

calicojack · 09-21-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Yes, but I am more impressed that 2 of the 9 items featured in their email blast ad were Pentax cameras.

FINALLY, Pentax is mentioned (even featured) in Adorama's email. HooRay!!!

westmill · 09-21-2012, 04:26 PM

I think they probably mean that the S version would be better for the studio for the extra sharpness that is needed for a lot of commercial work etc.
That would make sense. If it is as sorted as the Fuji cameras...... nuff said !

09-21-2012, 11:02 AM	#1
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09-21-2012, 11:10 AM	#2
GDRoth Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: S.E. Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 830	Adorama describes the IIs as more of a studio camera and the II for where the photographer has less control over lighting.............. Can someone expound on that distinction? I don't quite understand what they mean by that. I thought the IIs delivered more detail due to the filter not being there....

09-21-2012, 11:13 AM	#3
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by GDRoth Adorama describes the IIs as more of a studio camera and the II for where the photographer has less control over lighting.............. Can someone expound on that distinction? I don't quite understand what they mean by that. I thought the IIs delivered more detail due to the filter not being there.... It's sharper without the AA filter but at the cost of moire patterns in the image. Studio folks have more control over what they are shooting, lighting, and other factors that would lead to moire appearing in the image. There is a better review here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/199714-k-5-ii-vs-k...ml#post2108517

09-21-2012, 11:15 AM	#4
photomission Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 289	The K-5 IIs is more susceptible to moire patterns Moiré pattern - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in the studio you can avoid the problem because you have more control over conditions.

09-21-2012, 11:27 AM	#5
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	But wouldn't there be less potential moire patterns out in nature, rather than with man-made and artificial objects?

09-21-2012, 11:39 AM	#6
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by Na Horuk But wouldn't there be less potential moire patterns out in nature, rather than with man-made and artificial objects? If you are shooting nature per se' then probably yes. However, if you are shooting man made things, just outside, then no.

09-21-2012, 01:06 PM	#7
civiletti Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Photos: Albums Posts: 1,435	Originally posted by GDRoth Adorama describes the IIs as more of a studio camera and the II for where the photographer has less control over lighting.............. Can someone expound on that distinction? I don't quite understand what they mean by that. I thought the IIs delivered more detail due to the filter not being there.... Not a good recommendation, I think. It's true that adjusting lighting can reduce moire, but who wants this concern to determine the lighting used? I'd suggest the K-5IIs for landscape and nature work, but not for imaging man-made items. Now, if you are shooting portraits and can eliminate clothing that might produce moire, go for the K-5IIs. Of course, this hypothesis needs testing on the actual cameras.

09-21-2012, 01:13 PM	#8
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883	I'm by no means an expert on moire, but I don't see how outside or studio would matter. Moire is all about patterns that are incompatible with the grid-like nature of a sensor. You're either shooting a pattern that will cause moire, or you aren't; I don't see how inside or out, or what kind of lighting makes a difference. And from my experience shooting for Backpacker Mag, the things we shoot inside (backpacker, shoes, tents, whatever) are way more likely to moire than the stuff we shoot outside (hiking, nature, landscape and such). But like Docrwm said, that just comes down to what you're shooting. If you were shoot people inside, and architecture/patterns outside, you would probably have a bigger problem outside.

09-21-2012, 01:28 PM	#9
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by FullertonImages I'm by no means an expert on moire, but I don't see how outside or studio would matter. Moire is all about patterns that are incompatible with the grid-like nature of a sensor. You're either shooting a pattern that will cause moire, or you aren't; I don't see how inside or out, or what kind of lighting makes a difference. And from my experience shooting for Backpacker Mag, the things we shoot inside (backpacker, shoes, tents, whatever) are way more likely to moire than the stuff we shoot outside (hiking, nature, landscape and such). But like Docrwm said, that just comes down to what you're shooting. If you were shoot people inside, and architecture/patterns outside, you would probably have a bigger problem outside. The article I liked has some examples and offers that most moire can be handled in post, but not all. I am waiting to see output from the IIs and hear from users. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/199714-k-5-ii-vs-k...ml#post2108517

09-21-2012, 01:59 PM	#11
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by Adam Frankly, the retail store bloggers know very little about Pentax products beyond the spec sheets and press releases they receive. At least that has been my impression. Yes, but I am more impressed that 2 of the 9 items featured in their email blast ad were Pentax cameras.

09-21-2012, 04:09 PM	#12
calicojack Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, N.Y. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,124	Originally posted by Docrwm Yes, but I am more impressed that 2 of the 9 items featured in their email blast ad were Pentax cameras. FINALLY, Pentax is mentioned (even featured) in Adorama's email. HooRay!!!

09-21-2012, 04:26 PM	#13
westmill Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Stoke on Trent Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,146	I think they probably mean that the S version would be better for the studio for the extra sharpness that is needed for a lot of commercial work etc. That would make sense. If it is as sorted as the Fuji cameras...... nuff said !