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kittykat46 · 10-28-2010, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by K10DK7

An English link

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Sorry for no active link! Not sure how to do it here.

p.s. that's clever, its automatic!

Best regards

Only just put up on the Japanese-language web-site.
I suppose it may take a bit more time for them to get the English-language version up.
22 RAW frames buffer....Only ISO100 - I suppose that takes care of high-fps shots in bright daylight, but still the original situation for indoor sports...

Jyrkira · 10-28-2010, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by kittykat46

Only just put up on the Japanese-language web-site.
I suppose it may take a bit more time for them to get the English-language version up.
22 RAW frames buffer....Only ISO100 - I suppose that takes care of high-fps shots in bright daylight, but still the original situation for indoor sports...

Before the update it was 8 RAW... Only ISO100 and less for higher ISOs. Now it is 22 RAW for ISO100 and less for higher ISOs, BUT (lot) more than 8 I suppose.

kittykat46 · 10-29-2010, 12:18 AM

Looks like the existing RAW 8 fps constraint was due to some non-optimised factors in the processing, rather than an absolute barrier in the hardware.

Pentax was probably taking A LOT of heat from users over this issue.

....I've Never seen a firmware update announced this fast.

Good of them to respond as such

Now, there are a few other wrinkles about the K-5 we'd like them to address.....

Edvinas · 10-29-2010, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by kittykat46

Pentax was probably taking A LOT of heat from users over this issue.

....I've Never seen a firmware update announced this fast.

I bet that Pentax firmware developers were taking a lot of heat from their management somehow to rush K-5 firmware for Photokina. Now, it seems, they are debugging and optimising it. I expect this update will fix many things on K-5 (flash metering, non rotating images during display, etc.).

dgaies · 10-29-2010, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Edvinas

I bet that Pentax firmware developers were taking a lot of heat from their management somehow to rush K-5 firmware for Photokina. Now, it seems, they are debugging and optimising it. I expect this update will fix many things on K-5 (flash metering, non rotating images during display, etc.).

The non-rotating image during playback was one of the first things I noticed on my K5.... I guess we'll see if it makes it into a firmware update

Priyantha Bleeker · 10-29-2010, 02:12 AM

This would directly mean that the K-5 Is going to beat de Nikon D7000, Canon 50/60D and Canon 7D in buffer depth

The Nikon D7000 does 15 Images compressed NEF in 12bit and 12 Images compressed NEF in 14Bit

This all @ 6fps

The Canon 60D has a buffer depth of 16 images @ 5,3 fps

The Canon 7D does 15 images in RAW @ 8fps.

So this means that the Pentax K-5 will be in one big bang suddenly one of the biggest competitors in this field

Class A · 10-29-2010, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Transit

The Pentax RAW PEF is a bit smaller...we rely on pentax to keep supporting it like Adobe and their DNG.

The difference is that DNG is an open standard. If Adobe stops supporting it others can continue to support it. Not quite the same for PEF.

Originally posted by Arpe

I have found recently that if I'm pushing the boundaries of hand-holdableness due to slow shutter speed it pays to take 2 or 3 using high fps, which is within the buffer range obviously.

Yes, that's a well-known, well-used technique. Works for hand-held macro shots as well.

Originally posted by kittykat46

Pentax was probably taking A LOT of heat from users over this issue.

....I've Never seen a firmware update announced this fast.

Maybe users made some noise but it's not like Pentax listened in the past (better control of the top display illumination or manual video controls anyone?).

I'm pretty sure that the firmware just wasn't quite ready for Photokina and they had to start shipping with a not-quite-ready version. This would also explain the last minute change regarding the highest ISO setting possible.

ogl · 10-29-2010, 06:08 AM

Pentax announces firmware update for K-5: Digital Photography Review

JohnBee · 10-29-2010, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by Col

PENTAX K-5? ?????????????????PENTAX
New firmware to increase RAW burst to 20 at ISO100... don't know how these guys do this. (originally posted on DPR by krg)

What the …
How can this be?
Did they reduce the image to 12bit?

I hope someone who knows more can chime-in on this !
Has anyone tried it?

If this is truly the case, then I'm done with the D700(I can finally sell it)

Howard2k · 10-29-2010, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

I'm trying to imagine a situation in which I'd be shooting in high-speed burst mode in dim lighting—failing to come up with anything.

Concert.

MRRiley · 10-29-2010, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

I'm trying to imagine a situation in which I'd be shooting in high-speed burst mode in dim lighting—failing to come up with anything.

Just about any indoor sport.... arena lighting stinks... basketball, boxing, ice hockey, martial arts, motorcycle and bicycle aerobatics... etc etc etc...

Also outdoor sports in bad lighting. They sometimes do MotoGP in the rain and it can get pretty dim... Football games, baseball...

kittykat46 · 10-29-2010, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by JohnBee

What the …
How can this be?
Did they reduce the image to 12bit?

I hope someone who knows more can chime-in on this !
Has anyone tried it?

If this is truly the case, then I'm done with the D700(I can finally sell it)

Falk Lumo has written an interesting take on this
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/120228-announced-firmw...ate-k-5-a.html

I would still want the 14 Bit RAW for the highest quality still shots, but a selectable 12 Bits would be a very acceptable trade-off to get 22 frames buffer.

Well, the Pentax reps at Photokina (and the printed brochure) did mention the final RAW buffer would be higher than the 8 frames, but today's announcement is the first official commitment from Pentax.

dgaies · 10-29-2010, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by kittykat46

Well, the Pentax reps at Photokina (and the printed brochure) did mention the final RAW frame rate would be higher than the 8 fps, but today's announcement is the first official commitment from Pentax.

Unless I am mistaken, I think the frame rate is going to stay the same but the number of shots you can take before you have to wait is going to increase.

**Marc Langille** · 10-29-2010, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

I'm trying to imagine a situation in which I'd be shooting in high-speed burst mode in dim lightingfailing to come up with anything.

A great number of situations for wildlife shooting, including the times spanning sunrise/sunset, while in a forested/shaded area or significant canopy coverage overhead. Obviously for most situations a higher shutter speed is best,even more so with long FL lenses with max. apertures less than F/2.8. I've had more than my share of soft or blurred images because of this.

Cheers,
Marc

kittykat46 · 10-29-2010, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by dgaies

Unless I am mistaken, I think the frame rate is going to stay the same but the number of shots you can take before you have to wait is going to increase.

Sorry...I just didn't get that right...

10-29-2010, 06:35 AM	#114
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by Col PENTAX K-5? ?????????????????PENTAX New firmware to increase RAW burst to 20 at ISO100... don't know how these guys do this. (originally posted on DPR by krg) What the … How can this be? Did they reduce the image to 12bit? I hope someone who knows more can chime-in on this ! Has anyone tried it? If this is truly the case, then I'm done with the D700(I can finally sell it) Last edited by JohnBee; 10-29-2010 at 06:40 AM.

10-29-2010, 07:00 AM	#116
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275	Originally posted by deadwolfbones I'm trying to imagine a situation in which I'd be shooting in high-speed burst mode in dim lighting—failing to come up with anything. Just about any indoor sport.... arena lighting stinks... basketball, boxing, ice hockey, martial arts, motorcycle and bicycle aerobatics... etc etc etc... Also outdoor sports in bad lighting. They sometimes do MotoGP in the rain and it can get pretty dim... Football games, baseball... Last edited by MRRiley; 10-29-2010 at 07:10 AM.

10-29-2010, 07:02 AM	#117
kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Originally posted by JohnBee What the … How can this be? Did they reduce the image to 12bit? I hope someone who knows more can chime-in on this ! Has anyone tried it? If this is truly the case, then I'm done with the D700(I can finally sell it) Falk Lumo has written an interesting take on this https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/120228-announced-firmw...ate-k-5-a.html I would still want the 14 Bit RAW for the highest quality still shots, but a selectable 12 Bits would be a very acceptable trade-off to get 22 frames buffer. Well, the Pentax reps at Photokina (and the printed brochure) did mention the final RAW buffer would be higher than the 8 frames, but today's announcement is the first official commitment from Pentax. Last edited by kittykat46; 10-29-2010 at 07:14 AM. Reason: Error in writing

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kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Originally posted by K10DK7 An English link Google Â½Ä¶ Sorry for no active link! Not sure how to do it here. p.s. that's clever, its automatic! Best regards Only just put up on the Japanese-language web-site. I suppose it may take a bit more time for them to get the English-language version up. 22 RAW frames buffer....Only ISO100 - I suppose that takes care of high-fps shots in bright daylight, but still the original situation for indoor sports...

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Jyrkira Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 215	Originally posted by kittykat46 Only just put up on the Japanese-language web-site. I suppose it may take a bit more time for them to get the English-language version up. 22 RAW frames buffer....Only ISO100 - I suppose that takes care of high-fps shots in bright daylight, but still the original situation for indoor sports... Before the update it was 8 RAW... Only ISO100 and less for higher ISOs. Now it is 22 RAW for ISO100 and less for higher ISOs, BUT (lot) more than 8 I suppose.

10-29-2010, 12:18 AM	#108
kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Looks like the existing RAW 8 fps constraint was due to some non-optimised factors in the processing, rather than an absolute barrier in the hardware. Pentax was probably taking A LOT of heat from users over this issue. ....I've Never seen a firmware update announced this fast. Good of them to respond as such Now, there are a few other wrinkles about the K-5 we'd like them to address.....

10-29-2010, 12:34 AM	#109
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by kittykat46 Pentax was probably taking A LOT of heat from users over this issue. ....I've Never seen a firmware update announced this fast. I bet that Pentax firmware developers were taking a lot of heat from their management somehow to rush K-5 firmware for Photokina. Now, it seems, they are debugging and optimising it. I expect this update will fix many things on K-5 (flash metering, non rotating images during display, etc.).

10-29-2010, 02:02 AM	#110
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by Edvinas I bet that Pentax firmware developers were taking a lot of heat from their management somehow to rush K-5 firmware for Photokina. Now, it seems, they are debugging and optimising it. I expect this update will fix many things on K-5 (flash metering, non rotating images during display, etc.). The non-rotating image during playback was one of the first things I noticed on my K5.... I guess we'll see if it makes it into a firmware update

10-29-2010, 02:12 AM	#111
Priyantha Bleeker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 190	This would directly mean that the K-5 Is going to beat de Nikon D7000, Canon 50/60D and Canon 7D in buffer depth The Nikon D7000 does 15 Images compressed NEF in 12bit and 12 Images compressed NEF in 14Bit This all @ 6fps The Canon 60D has a buffer depth of 16 images @ 5,3 fps The Canon 7D does 15 images in RAW @ 8fps. So this means that the Pentax K-5 will be in one big bang suddenly one of the biggest competitors in this field

10-29-2010, 02:14 AM	#112
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Transit The Pentax RAW PEF is a bit smaller...we rely on pentax to keep supporting it like Adobe and their DNG. The difference is that DNG is an open standard. If Adobe stops supporting it others can continue to support it. Not quite the same for PEF. Originally posted by Arpe I have found recently that if I'm pushing the boundaries of hand-holdableness due to slow shutter speed it pays to take 2 or 3 using high fps, which is within the buffer range obviously. Yes, that's a well-known, well-used technique. Works for hand-held macro shots as well. Originally posted by kittykat46 Pentax was probably taking A LOT of heat from users over this issue. ....I've Never seen a firmware update announced this fast. Maybe users made some noise but it's not like Pentax listened in the past (better control of the top display illumination or manual video controls anyone?). I'm pretty sure that the firmware just wasn't quite ready for Photokina and they had to start shipping with a not-quite-ready version. This would also explain the last minute change regarding the highest ISO setting possible.

10-29-2010, 06:08 AM	#113
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Pentax announces firmware update for K-5: Digital Photography Review

10-29-2010, 06:55 AM	#115
Howard2k Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 69	Originally posted by deadwolfbones I'm trying to imagine a situation in which I'd be shooting in high-speed burst mode in dim lighting—failing to come up with anything. Concert.

10-29-2010, 07:05 AM	#118
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by kittykat46 Well, the Pentax reps at Photokina (and the printed brochure) did mention the final RAW frame rate would be higher than the 8 fps, but today's announcement is the first official commitment from Pentax. Unless I am mistaken, I think the frame rate is going to stay the same but the number of shots you can take before you have to wait is going to increase.

10-29-2010, 07:12 AM	#119
Marc Langille Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NW Arkansas, USA Posts: 4,710	Originally posted by deadwolfbones I'm trying to imagine a situation in which I'd be shooting in high-speed burst mode in dim lightingfailing to come up with anything. A great number of situations for wildlife shooting, including the times spanning sunrise/sunset, while in a forested/shaded area or significant canopy coverage overhead. Obviously for most situations a higher shutter speed is best,even more so with long FL lenses with max. apertures less than F/2.8. I've had more than my share of soft or blurred images because of this. Cheers, Marc

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kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Originally posted by dgaies Unless I am mistaken, I think the frame rate is going to stay the same but the number of shots you can take before you have to wait is going to increase. Sorry...I just didn't get that right...

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