Originally posted by jpzk More to the heart of the subject of this thread ... I am
lost with all of the very technical and scientific explanations.
This thread ought to be very technical. The OP asked for it.
Originally posted by JohnBee An ISO200 image exposed at ISO51200 yields identical grain and noise than a camera native ISO51200 image.
I don't think that this already is the case. I would assume that ISO 1600 has just a bit less read-out noise than 8x pushed ISO 200, i.e., that the analog preamplification adds slightly less noise than the ADC would do.
The common belief for the K-5 is that up to ISO 1600, analog preamplification is applied and above ISO 1600, raw NR. So, ISO 1600 is kind of a sweet spot for low light photography with the K-5 (combined with various amounts of negative EV compensation).
Originally posted by JohnBee However... when it comes to the K20, K-x, K-7, and K-r, these ones show a dramatic shift in grain, detail and red channel information at a given point along the sensitivity curve.
AFAIK, K-x and K-r don't differ from the K-5 in this respect. But as I said, nobody really studied this yet.
K-7 and K20D have a noisy preamplifier and an off-chip ADC. Therefore, boosting ISO helps them a lot.
The lower the read-out noise, the less important is it to adjust an ISO level. The main source of noise (photon shot noise) is a natural phenomen and cannot be affected by adjusting the ISO level (it
only depends on the
total number of photons being detected by the sensor, i.e., lens aperture surface times exposure time times quantum efficiency of CMOS with the Bayer filter).
However, most vendors add black clipping to their higher ISO levels. If the clipping levels are smart (e.g., channel dependent), a higher ISO level may have less problems with tinted shadows than a pushed low iso image. But only because, e.g., LR only has a single black slider, not a black slider per color channel.
Originally posted by JohnBee Is it possible that the K-5 does not apply any NR based on sensitivities in contrast to previous models?
Of course, but there is no evidence pointing towards this. Quick tests seem to put the K-5 on top of the D7000 for high iso images. So I guess it is the same NR. Moreover, Gordon B Good found the histogram be unequally populated above ISO 1600, but no empty bins. This is typical for bit shifting with NR being applied.
Originally posted by JohnBee so if you could translate your answers into noob format
I'm sure if you ask a specific question, there will be enough fellow members to explain. I really have trouble to spend many words to say a thing which needs three words. Not only here on the forum
As for pushing ISO with the K-5, you may like the following thread:
La K-5 hace magia...
I showed the same effect for the K-x in my blog a year ago. But the pentaxeros story is much more easy going. For everybody lost in science
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