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11-05-2010, 08:36 PM   #196
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Anyone want to start a rumor that Sony gave the K-5 a better sensor than the D7000 to hurt Nikon's sales?
Maybe, Sony gave Pentax a better sensor because they paid more?

Would explain why D7000 could be launched so shockingly cheap and why Ned Bunnell seems convinced that the K-5 will beat the D7000 in forthcoming tests.

And then there is this hot pixel in video issue for the D7000 which I don't know yet if the K-5 has it too or not. So far, seems to be a non issue for the K-5. Soon we'll know if the sensors differ enough to make a difference.

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Since comments here are saying the 5D Mk ii is old technology and about to be replaced, should it not cost about $800, comparatively speaking? I wouldn't mind picking one up at that price.
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Since comments here are saying the 5D Mk ii is old technology and about to be replaced, should it not cost about $800, comparatively speaking? I wouldn't mind picking one up at that price.
Even though it's old, it's still being produced, so it still brings in a hefty price tag. You can nab one of Canon Loyalty Program for about $1700 though for a refurb.
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Even though it's old, it's still being produced, so it still brings in a hefty price tag. You can nab one of Canon Loyalty Program for about $1700 though for a refurb.
Why would one spend 1700 on even a new one? The K-5 at release is less and wait a few months.

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Hypocorism, I will quote myself from earlier in this thread:

I totally agree. I totally see FF creeping into MF range...
Right on there Raylon. Progress and competition is great to watch and we all reap the benefits of it.

It's not something to beat chests and claim victories over. Short lived wins are shallow in the big picture.

.R.

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11-05-2010, 08:58 PM   #201
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But like I've said before. Give me a K10 and the IQ is plenty good for me, just not the capabilities of the body. So IQ in the past 5 years is good enough for me, I just want one that has great performance in other categories.

And like you said yourself, you take pictures. Some people do more than that. What one person wants and needs is completely different than what somebody else may need.
Interesting assessment. I suppose my collection of close to a hundred lenses would be doing more than taking pictures....
At the moment, where the Pentax lens line up is short (and they are aware of this according to the rep that arranged the 645D for me to test) is long and expensive lenses.
It's nice that Canon and Nikon have them available for you, but your $1000.00 per year number is not going to buy you anything that isn't available in Pentax mount.
And really, if you think your little 135 format DSLR is a real camera, you need to try a 645D, or better still a Phase1. I mean really, what's the point of wasting your time on junk when you can play with the big boys?
Oh wait, my bad, you don't take pictures.
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I never paid much attention to the scoring until this thread. I have the k-x and k-7. I shoot wildlife and i shoot exactly where the scores have it on sports. Amazingly accurate.
Im looking for the k-5 to open up a whole new dimension in my shooting.
But after buyint the k-7 i have a sour tast in my mouith. I hope the k-5 gets rid of it.

BTW there is a used k-5 on e-bay already.

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11-05-2010, 09:35 PM   #203
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It's nice that Canon and Nikon have them available for you, but your $1000.00 per year number is not going to buy you anything that isn't available in Pentax mount.
I'll clarify this once again. I just threw out a random number. I will probably spend a lot more. If you took the time to read the entire thread and not random posts you would have seen this. I could easily increase that to $4000. I could then get lenses sch as the 70-200 2.8 IS II or the 100-400. Both amazing lenses that Pentax can't match.

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And really, if you think your little 135 format DSLR is a real camera, you need to try a 645D, or better still a Phase1. I mean really, what's the point of wasting your time on junk when you can play with the big boys?
My little 135(which isn't a 135) is a real camera. It takes pictures that I am happy with. I don't want a MF. If I wanted a MF I would have gotten one already. Also I don't need a RED to take videos, I am happy with the ridiculously good quality I get from the 7D. It's also not junk

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Oh wait, my bad, you don't take pictures.
Nope, I do. Any more attempts to try and make me seem worthless?

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I know all about old stuff, and love using my K lenses, Takumars and other classics. The best available?...perhaps, but perhaps not. I totally get your 7D fix....nostalgia is nice.
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Why would one spend 1700 on even a new one? The K-5 at release is less and wait a few months.
Pretty simple answer to that I'd say.

With the advent of Digital, the split off of APS-C from 135 format became an entirely new format. A whole new exciting world to be pillaged, raped and plundered.

And each have their respective niche applications, whilst still sharing the same tech and similarities, including lenses.
And it's probably mostly at that physical 'optical' level that they swerve away into their respective "best-for" application too.

Just because a K-5 Wow! ZOMG!!!1111111111... enters the scene doesn't mean that FF owners will cringe and commit hari-kari in droves. A few might yawn though.

eg. for what I do and intend to pursue, I would never want to go FF even if it were cheaper to buy in!
APS-C offers the right goodies for my needs (due to the inverse rules at tele and macro mainly - whereas FF simply can't match that due to the physics constraints laws of optics.

Otoh, FF blows away Crop in its areas. As its followers know well for their game play.

But FF isn't something to lust over and seek just because it's bigger. (Viagra might better serve at that)
The two are different, like MF, ad infinitum, world's apart.

Likewise 4/3rds, at 1:2 crop, although slow off the mark and not exactly sharing same lenses so much, similarly serves a valid market and user-app needs niche.

Make sense. Probably not. Just try and sleep well through it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Hypocorism Quote
Pretty simple answer to that I'd say.

With the advent of Digital, the split off of APS-C from 135 format became an entirely new format. A whole new exciting world to be pillaged, raped and plundered.

And each have their respective niche applications, whilst still sharing the same tech and similarities, including lenses.
And it's probably mostly at that physical 'optical' level that they swerve away into their respective "best-for" application too.

Just because a K-5 Wow! ZOMG!!!1111111111 enters the scene doesn't mean that FF owners will cringe and commit hari-kari. A few might yawn though.

eg. for what I do and intend to pursue, I would never want to go FF even if it were cheaper to buy in!
APS-C offers the right goodies for my needs (due to the inverse rules at tele and macro mainly - whereas FF simply can't match that due to the physics constraints laws of optics.

Otoh, FF blows away Crop in it's areas. As it's followers know well for their game play.

But FF isn't something to lust over and seek just because it's bigger. (Viagra might better serve at that)
The two are different, like MF, ad infinitum, world's apart.

Likewise 4/3rds, at 1:2 crop, although slow off the mark and not exactly sharing same lenses so much, similarly serves a valid market and user-app needs niche.

Make sense. Probably not. Just try and sleep well through it.

.R.
I still use my 67II on a regular basis and still don't see FF digital matching it. I'm a little tired of the FF digital superiority rant. If the K-5 is delivering better for less at a cost point, so be it.
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Raylon, if you feel so upbeat about the merits of Canon, then pray tell why are you using a so-so consumer grade lens like the EF 28-135mm in your signature and not using any L series lenses??? No need to talk about the future and putting aside $1K a year, which frankly won't go very far as L lens prices are concerned. Talk is cheap, especially when you're a 20 year old.
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Haha, I love that they have Pentax's spotting scopes on there. Yep, that would be Pentax's versions of long focal length lenses.

Ok just think about this. I'm 20. Say I photographs things till I am 60. That's 40 years. Say I even invest $1000 a year in cameras. That's 40k in a system. I would love to own every single L lens Canon manufactures....
Then you sound more like a camera collector than a photographer. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but others here have different priorities.
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Then you sound more like a camera collector than a photographer. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but others here have different priorities.
And considering what a $1,000 pa spend will buy in 40 years, that isn't going to be much of a useful collection.

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So.... I bet all those people that dumped their pentax gear for greener pastures feel pretty dumb about now!!
That's what happens when you jump the gun... fancy not waiting for the reviews. (unless you swapped when the k-7 hit of course)
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