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11-08-2010, 09:55 AM   #301
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Il va falloir que les optiques suivent maintenant.


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The indicative price on DXO site is $1374. Did anyone find the K-5 at this price somewhere?
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QuoteOriginally posted by manishved Quote
The indicative price on DXO site is $1374. Did anyone find the K-5 at this price somewhere?
No, the K-5 has never been for sale at that price in the US. I recall some people reported getting bodies in the mid to high 1400's.
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QuoteOriginally posted by manishved Quote
The indicative price on DXO site is $1374. Did anyone find the K-5 at this price somewhere?
Wouldn't that be nice! From what I'm seeing, the D7000 (body-only) is $1,200 USD and the K-5 is $1,600 USD. They are $400 apart!
All my lenses are Pentax, so the Nikon isn't an option....
except that I could get the D7000 and the Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 for the same price as the K-5 without a lens....
hmmm... I could put the 16-50mm on the K10D, the 50-135mm on the K-7, and use the Nikon with the 85mm....

nah.
I'll just get some more use out of my current gear and pick up the K-5 for $1,000 next November. Although, I am a little jealous of the dual SD-card slots, additional focus points (tracking), and the brilliant CLS system....

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Good for Pentax

It's good to see that the "numbers" for the K-5 are so good. Still, they're all so close when you compare the leading DSLR's that I suspect it's a lot more about the "nut behind the wheel" when it comes to actual image results than just the science of the sensor.

I'm still wishing Pentax would produce a full-frame sensor, for now very happy with another brand full-frame sensor that takes all my S-M-C Takumars...
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QuoteOriginally posted by manishved Quote
The indicative price on DXO site is $1374. Did anyone find the K-5 at this price somewhere?
DxO is located in Paris and $1374 corresponds to €1193 TTC today. You easily find such offers in France, like here:
Pentax K-5 Nu Pentax

The price includes 4 years of warranty but does not yet include the cashback action.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
DxO is located in Paris and $1374 corresponds to €1193 TTC today. You easily find such offers in France, like here:
Pentax K-5 Nu Pentax

The price includes 4 years of warranty but does not yet include the cashback action.
So if I order from here...lol?
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
So, they've put 80 where it belongs too: into the geek section aka extended setting.
GordonBGood wrote:
"However, if you mean that the lower ISO has a less linear curve at the top brighter end of the tone curve for the lower ISO than for the higher one, than the base ISO is likely something close to ISO 100 judging from the DxOMark full SNR curves. This is likely why the K-5 treats ISO 80 as an "extended" ISO range."
I read that as that there might be non-linear response at the ISO 80 setting which would explain the (albeit only very slightly) higher than expected DR. This wouldn't be bad, AFAIC, for an extended setting. It'll be the return of the film shoulder.

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Try to do a similiar measurement and your optimism turns into pessimism
I bet it's hard work. Does one need to take precautions against electromagnetic influences that might spoil the picture (no pun intended)? I once programmed a software-controlled A/D converter (very simple design with a capacitor) and if we didn't make sure that the measurement interval was perfectly aligned with the 50Hz of the general AC power, we mainly measured AC power noise.


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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
DxO is located in Paris and $1374 corresponds to €1193 TTC today. You easily find such offers in France, like here:
Pentax K-5 Nu Pentax

The price includes 4 years of warranty but does not yet include the cashback action.
Uh? I don't get it.
Assuming DxO mean "US dollar" as their stated unit (they don't say), then not by any currency converter I can find.
eg. Currency Converter | OANDA rates here at 2010-11-07
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USD/EUR Details USD/EUR for the 24-hour period ending Sunday, November 7, 2010 22:00 UTC @ Interbank rate
Selling 1,374.00 USD you get 978.883 EUR
Buying 1,374.00 USD you pay 979.581 EUR
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The French website e-tailer you cite lists an EUR1,199.00 - which on this date (2010-11-09 for me) translates to USD1,681.77 -- that's a little over what the major US retailers have been offering K-5 right from the start, with some rare preorder e-tailers pushing the bar slightly further.

The DxO site is also fanciful with D7000, and other, market street pricings too.
They should give up while they're behind, and only ever quote official MSRPs, that is the only credible yardstick that stands.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Hypocorism Quote
Uh? I don't get it.
[...]
The French website e-tailer you cite lists an EUR1,199.00 - which on this date (2010-11-09 for me) translates to USD1,681.77 -- that's a little over what the major US retailers have been offering K-5 right from the start, with some rare preorder e-tailers pushing the bar slightly further.
[...]
.R.
i think Falk meant that 1200 euro minus the VAT, which is maybe 20% or a little less.
so 1200 - 240 = 960 which is much nearer to the 1374usd dxo cited.

i agree, this is very confusing, especially since dxo says that the K-7 was introduced for 1900$
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Yeah, he's including VAT.
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Yeah, he's including VAT.
Whew thanks. That makes slightly more sense then. Except it's still a blatant inaccurate farce on their part.
For a moment there I thought the frog-gobblers had discovered some new way to print money and help send the world [even more] bankrupt through falsified disparities.

A bit disturbing that they'd lump the whole 19.6% on cameras though, unless France is even more anti-free global trade than their usual.
Value-Added Taxes (VAT)


[Addendum..]
If anyone's interested this looks like Pentax's French press release with .pdf obtainable from here;
Communiqué de presse - K5.pdf
http://www.pentax.fr/fr/presse.html
Which indicates a RRP intro of EUR1,299.00 c/w 18-55 WR.
..but I don't read much Fr and unaware if that would be VAT incl advertised under French law.
Seems pretty much in line with the body only price re the Fr web-retailer above though.

But of course it wouldn't be a bargain haven country to import a K-5 from for non EU plebs.

With K-5 at last appering to reach the shores here in past days my own country has scored an unusual bit hit in that respect, which should provoke a few extra prospective hunter~buyers to plunge early. (which sadly then props up street prices for much longer)

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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
GordonBGood wrote: "However, if you mean that the lower ISO has a less linear curve at the top brighter end of the tone curve for the lower ISO than for the higher one, than the base ISO is likely something close to ISO 100 judging from the DxOMark full SNR curves. This is likely why the K-5 treats ISO 80 as an "extended" ISO range.".
I don't know what Gordon thinks here. It sounds logical but isn't on second inspection. The sensor response curve cannot be tweaked. It is linear and SNR is fully determined by read-out noise, photon shot noise and pattern noise. I see no other sign in the full SNR curves either. Electrons gather and add up as they are collected. Until well full. How would you tweak that?

Theoretically, you could try to make the well repell further electrons as it charges up. Bubt that would happen at all iso, wouldn't it? I know about patents with a leak current from one well into a second well when it becomes full. But I don't think any of this is at play just to extent iso from 83 to 70...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Hypocorism Quote
A bit disturbing that they'd lump the whole 19.6% on cameras though, unless France is even more anti-free global trade than their usual.
Value-Added Taxes (VAT)
It is common practice in EU blogs and on EU websites to include VAT when prices are given in € and exclude VAT when given in $US. This ensures that readers from various regions automatically receive the same message.

BTW, I explicitely appended TTC to the € price given. TTC is French snd means Tous Tax Compris (all taxes included) which means it includes 19.6% VAT. Any US citizen can buy from a French (or any EU) online store and NOT pay the VAT. So, it's absolutely the right thing to do. You can even do so in EU retail stores when travelling to the EU.
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All I know is that I would buy it at 1399 or less, 1300 would be the sweet spot but I doubt that happens this winter, well then again I dont know how prices work with pentax. I think 200 above the D7000 is fair though which goes for 1,199.
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