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Wheatfield · 11-12-2010, 11:23 PM

Who says the K5 can't take a sharp picture?

Last edited by Wheatfield; 02-05-2011 at 08:44 PM.

**Rondec** · 11-13-2010, 05:29 AM

One of the biggest things to me, is that they spend quite a bit of time in their reviews of Canon and Nikon products "tweaking settings" to get them the way they want them. Notice with the Nikon 7000 that they shot all of their photos with noise reduction on and off.

On the other hand, with Pentax, they expect everything to be set for them out of the box and need no adjustment to suit their taste. Never mind that jpegs are tweakable, it should have been right from the get go or, its a no-go.

Finally, the body of DP Review's camera reviews is often interesting, but not particularly useful, at least to me. I would far rather read the Online Photographer's review of any camera you can mention. It may not be as technical and mention as many of the filters/other details available in the camera, but TOP treats a camera as a tool to take pictures and shows much more clearly what works and doesn't work on a given camera body.

brkl · 11-13-2010, 08:02 AM

I don't know, I learned that people here were angry about the DPR K10D review long after that same review had convinced me to choose the camera over its rivals...

r0ckstarr · 11-13-2010, 08:18 AM

....and that's why I get my reviews, suggestions, and advice from this site. I shoot Pentax, and have invested into Pentax glass. I will continue doing so as long as Pentax keeps producing both cameras and lenses. I have no interest in the competition or comparisons with the competition at all. I only care about what Pentax has to offer. So, I only believe user tested reviews from here and other Pentax users.

JeffJS · 11-13-2010, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by brkl

I don't know, I learned that people here were angry about the DPR K10D review long after that same review had convinced me to choose the camera over its rivals...

I was the first kid on the block with a K10d. Months before I learned from DPR what a POS it was. Or rather, in all fairness to that review, it's JPG engine sucked.

**chemtech** · 11-13-2010, 10:40 AM

The issue of a problem with the RAW conversion for both the Nixon and Pentax has been discussed at the DPreview site.

Urkeldaedalus · 11-13-2010, 12:15 PM

I like how Richard Butler replied to the complaints by saying that the softness was due to variance in the testing. Well, if there are errors due to variance in the testing, fix your test. That's what "journalists" are supposed to do.

robgo2 · 11-13-2010, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus

I like how Richard Butler replied to the complaints by saying that the softness was due to variance in the testing. Well, if there are errors due to variance in the testing, fix your test. That's what "journalists" are supposed to do.

Precisely! What kind of knucklehead would acknowledge flaws in the methodology and then not assure readers that those flaws would be remedied? At this point, I think that we have to await the official review of the K-5 to see is dpr is serious about fixing their testing process at least to the point of giving a fair representation of what the K-5 can do. While I am not convinced that they deliberately seek to make Pentax look bad, I think it is quite possible that they will not go out of their way to make it look good.

Rob

**NaClH2O** · 11-13-2010, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Who says the K5 can't take a sharp picture?

Bare naked lenses on soft fluffy towels! What more could a guy (or gal ) want! Tho I must admit that the 77 ltd is a butt more svelt!

NaCl(so round! so firm! so fully packed!)H2O

ps. reputation points to whoever can recognise the above statement

Edgar_in_Indy · 11-13-2010, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by NaClH2O

Bare naked lenses on soft fluffy towels! What more could a guy (or gal ) want!

And I thought this was supposed to be a family forum!

str8talk83 · 11-13-2010, 01:26 PM

Interesting thoughts. I think that it is more of a Canon and Nikon bias. That bias is not limited to dpreview, but is widespread throughout the photographic community for reasons both reasonable and completely ridiculous and unfounded...

The bottom line is that MOST users shoot Canon or Nikon and everyone tends to have a bias towards what they shoot, that's just how it is. I have seen some very blatant pro-Pentax bias on this site (understandably) and have seen the same from Canon and Nikon users on other forums.

I use dpreview to get a good look at the ergo's and functionality of camera bodies and a basic overview of how they work. I think they are useful for that. Just because they are a resource I use to gain knowledge about photographic equipment doesn't mean that I drink their kool-aid either. It's all about common sense and what is important to the particular user.

Ken T · 11-13-2010, 02:09 PM

What I think is when they see both the Pentax K-5 and Nikon D7000 surepass way ahead the Canon 60D, then they tried to make people see that the 60D if not better then is still comparable to the other two . Anyway, the point is they wanted to bring the 60D to be head and shoulder with the D7000 and the K-5, and they already succeeded .

**rod_grant** · 11-14-2010, 02:12 AM

We are going to see bias in all (well, at least, most) reviews, whether that is motor vehicle reviews/comparisons, sewung machines or cameras.
I agree in testing camera bodines a common lens would be an advantage, but since so many cameras are sold as kits, and many users will only see them as kits (at least for for some years) why wouldn't the best test include both a uniform lens test and a test with the most common kit lens for the particular model?
If the camera maker makes great bodies and so-so lenses shouldn't that be a telling point, particularly for first time and relatively inexperienced users? (and vice versa?)

**rod_grant** · 11-14-2010, 02:26 AM

Interesting, but there is a short thread on dpreview about a competition sponsored by Canon. A few posts question the probity of Canon's involvement!
http://forums.********.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&thread=36880750

Hypocorism · 11-14-2010, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by rod_grant

Interesting, but there is a short thread on dpreview about a competition sponsored by Canon. A few posts question the probity of Canon's involvement!
http://forums.********.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&thread=36880750

?
Why is the URI that you posted (above) corrupted with 8 asterisks obliterating the essential target domain-name segment and rendering it unusable?

That doesn't seem to happen usually with links that people post here.

.R.

11-13-2010, 01:03 PM	#84
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Oh goody! Lens Porn! :p Originally posted by Wheatfield Who says the K5 can't take a sharp picture? Bare naked lenses on soft fluffy towels! What more could a guy (or gal ) want! Tho I must admit that the 77 ltd is a butt more svelt! NaCl(so round! so firm! so fully packed!)H2O ps. reputation points to whoever can recognise the above statement Last edited by NaClH2O; 11-13-2010 at 01:04 PM. Reason: speeling :(

11-14-2010, 02:53 AM	#90
Hypocorism Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Melbourne .au Posts: 623	Originally posted by rod_grant Interesting, but there is a short thread on dpreview about a competition sponsored by Canon. A few posts question the probity of Canon's involvement! http://forums.*******.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&thread=36880750 ? Why is the URI that you posted (above) corrupted with 8 asterisks obliterating the essential target domain-name segment and rendering it unusable? That doesn't seem to happen usually with links that people post here. .R. Last edited by Hypocorism; 11-14-2010 at 03:07 AM.*

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11-12-2010, 11:23 PM	#76
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Who says the K5 can't take a sharp picture? Last edited by Wheatfield; 02-05-2011 at 08:44 PM.

11-13-2010, 05:29 AM	#77
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	One of the biggest things to me, is that they spend quite a bit of time in their reviews of Canon and Nikon products "tweaking settings" to get them the way they want them. Notice with the Nikon 7000 that they shot all of their photos with noise reduction on and off. On the other hand, with Pentax, they expect everything to be set for them out of the box and need no adjustment to suit their taste. Never mind that jpegs are tweakable, it should have been right from the get go or, its a no-go. Finally, the body of DP Review's camera reviews is often interesting, but not particularly useful, at least to me. I would far rather read the Online Photographer's review of any camera you can mention. It may not be as technical and mention as many of the filters/other details available in the camera, but TOP treats a camera as a tool to take pictures and shows much more clearly what works and doesn't work on a given camera body.

11-13-2010, 08:02 AM	#78
brkl Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 497	I don't know, I learned that people here were angry about the DPR K10D review long after that same review had convinced me to choose the camera over its rivals...

11-13-2010, 08:18 AM	#79
r0ckstarr Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,507	....and that's why I get my reviews, suggestions, and advice from this site. I shoot Pentax, and have invested into Pentax glass. I will continue doing so as long as Pentax keeps producing both cameras and lenses. I have no interest in the competition or comparisons with the competition at all. I only care about what Pentax has to offer. So, I only believe user tested reviews from here and other Pentax users.

11-13-2010, 08:26 AM	#80
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by brkl I don't know, I learned that people here were angry about the DPR K10D review long after that same review had convinced me to choose the camera over its rivals... I was the first kid on the block with a K10d. Months before I learned from DPR what a POS it was. Or rather, in all fairness to that review, it's JPG engine sucked.

11-13-2010, 10:40 AM	#81
chemtech Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 509	The issue of a problem with the RAW conversion for both the Nixon and Pentax has been discussed at the DPreview site.

11-13-2010, 12:15 PM	#82
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	I like how Richard Butler replied to the complaints by saying that the softness was due to variance in the testing. Well, if there are errors due to variance in the testing, fix your test. That's what "journalists" are supposed to do.

11-13-2010, 12:45 PM	#83
robgo2 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Mexico Photos: Albums Posts: 1,125	Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus I like how Richard Butler replied to the complaints by saying that the softness was due to variance in the testing. Well, if there are errors due to variance in the testing, fix your test. That's what "journalists" are supposed to do. Precisely! What kind of knucklehead would acknowledge flaws in the methodology and then not assure readers that those flaws would be remedied? At this point, I think that we have to await the official review of the K-5 to see is dpr is serious about fixing their testing process at least to the point of giving a fair representation of what the K-5 can do. While I am not convinced that they deliberately seek to make Pentax look bad, I think it is quite possible that they will not go out of their way to make it look good. Rob

11-13-2010, 01:08 PM	#85
Edgar_in_Indy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,685	Originally posted by NaClH2O Bare naked lenses on soft fluffy towels! What more could a guy (or gal ) want! And I thought this was supposed to be a family forum!

11-13-2010, 01:26 PM	#86
str8talk83 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bluffton, SC Photos: Albums Posts: 674	Interesting thoughts. I think that it is more of a Canon and Nikon bias. That bias is not limited to dpreview, but is widespread throughout the photographic community for reasons both reasonable and completely ridiculous and unfounded... The bottom line is that MOST users shoot Canon or Nikon and everyone tends to have a bias towards what they shoot, that's just how it is. I have seen some very blatant pro-Pentax bias on this site (understandably) and have seen the same from Canon and Nikon users on other forums. I use dpreview to get a good look at the ergo's and functionality of camera bodies and a basic overview of how they work. I think they are useful for that. Just because they are a resource I use to gain knowledge about photographic equipment doesn't mean that I drink their kool-aid either. It's all about common sense and what is important to the particular user.

11-13-2010, 02:09 PM	#87
Ken T Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California, USA Posts: 536	What I think is when they see both the Pentax K-5 and Nikon D7000 surepass way ahead the Canon 60D, then they tried to make people see that the 60D if not better then is still comparable to the other two . Anyway, the point is they wanted to bring the 60D to be head and shoulder with the D7000 and the K-5, and they already succeeded .

11-14-2010, 02:12 AM	#88
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	We are going to see bias in all (well, at least, most) reviews, whether that is motor vehicle reviews/comparisons, sewung machines or cameras. I agree in testing camera bodines a common lens would be an advantage, but since so many cameras are sold as kits, and many users will only see them as kits (at least for for some years) why wouldn't the best test include both a uniform lens test and a test with the most common kit lens for the particular model? If the camera maker makes great bodies and so-so lenses shouldn't that be a telling point, particularly for first time and relatively inexperienced users? (and vice versa?)

11-14-2010, 02:26 AM	#89
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	Interesting, but there is a short thread on dpreview about a competition sponsored by Canon. A few posts question the probity of Canon's involvement! http://forums.********.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&thread=36880750

DPReview's bias at work, K-5 gets a bum rap.

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