K5 as a Nikon d300s/7000 alternative

kevinschoenmakers · 01-04-2011, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Arpe

And yet Pentax's lack of lenses, in particular a 70-200/f2.8 and a 1.4x tc, is one reason I'm looking at going to Nikon! I believe it's quite an incomplete line up.

Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135.

**Kammerer** · 01-04-2011, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135.

And Pentax's 70-200 + 1.4x TC is called DA* 60-250.

PinarelloOnly · 01-04-2011, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by roka

To anyone familiar with K5 and D7000.
How does shutter/mirror-slap of K5 compare with D7000 set to 'quiet' mode?

My wife has the D7000 and in quite mode the mirror slap up is quite, very quite compared to my K200d.
But you still hear it as far as being in church or a school play. Actually it's not that big of a difference
between quite and normal mode.

In normal shooting if you shoot 1/60 sec. or faster with the D7000, the mirror slap
up and down is so fast it sounds like 1 click anyway, just like a D300s.

Knowing what my wifes D7000 sounds like it would be impressive if the K-5 is that much quieter in quite
mode but then again she'll never use it nor' I'll never use it with a K-5 if I get one this spring. I'm looking at
a Canon 60D w/70-200 f/4 "L" lens for only a couple of hundred more than a K-5 body.

Kunzite · 01-04-2011, 08:50 AM

The K-5 doesn't have a "quiet mode"; it *is* quiet. Which is IMO much better than a fake "quiet" mode on a noisy camera.

Last edited by Kunzite; 01-04-2011 at 09:01 AM.

Frogfish · 01-04-2011, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Arpe

And yet Pentax's lack of lenses, in particular a 70-200/f2.8 and a 1.4x tc, is one reason I'm looking at going to Nikon! I believe it's quite an incomplete line up.

Both Tamron and Sigma make great 70-200/2.8 lenses, and then there is the superb Pentax AFA x1.7 or the excellent Tamron x1.4 TC (not sure of compatibility of these TCs with the Sigma). Also as mentioned, my next lense, the very very good DA*60-250.

WerTicus · 01-04-2011, 10:25 AM

Also the Kenko 1.4x SDM supporting TC.

Kenko = Hoya = Pentax ;-)

Usuqa · 01-04-2011, 06:31 PM

I went from a nikon d3 with some of the older f2.8 lens to the k5.

Image quality wise the k5 is better imho, lower iso with major ability to push shadows and high iso thats very similar. Higher resolution (altho you need better lens to get that, the d3/d700 can get away with lower quality optics because its pixel pitch is so big).

In body stabilization is great(works in video to), my nikon lens were non vr.

Exposure compensation is another feature people seem to miss that's only on pentax k5/k7.

IMGP0867 by usuqa, on Flick
8mm fish eye with camera tilted to fit the model in the frame.

8mm fish eye with camera level and sensor shifted.

The only thing you can do tho is try play with each camera and look at what len's you would like in the future.. the feel of a camera is the most important thing as all dslrs are capable of great images these days.

masloff · 01-05-2011, 09:02 AM - **1 Like**

Since someone asked me about motivation behind Nikon -> Pentax migration, they are few but essential to me:

1) pure technical one - high ISO; I like to shoot in dim situations and K-5 seems perfectly right
2) Nikon lens + body is a bit too heavy/big for me - I like when camera is as small and light as possible
3) price factor - Nikkor lens are awesome but expensive and big
4) it`s not Nikon or Canon - attracts less attention (when you travel in some countries, this is a nice addtiton)

Lens factor - Pentax line of lenses seems completely fine to me.

And when I think to myself: "Dude, I wish I had that lens - that would have been make this picture really shine", I try to remember Cartier-Bresson with 35mm rangefinder + 50mm - that dissolves that stupid thoughts

RyanW · 01-05-2011, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135.

True. The 70-200 is really a full frame lens that also works on a crop camera. The advantage of the Pentax is in size and weight.

RyanW · 01-05-2011, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The K-5 doesn't have a "quiet mode"; it *is* quiet. Which is IMO much better than a fake "quiet" mode on a noisy camera.

I was in the local camera shop. They didn't have the K-5, but a K-7 which I think is nearly as quiet as the K-5. It is quiet, by comparison, by comparison the Nikon D700 sounded like two cymbals being crashed together. You could easily shoot the Pentax at a school play or similar and not annoy those around you. The D7000 was quieter than the 700, but not as quiet as the K-7. I'd be too self conscious to shoot the D700 for more than one frame at a school play.

I guess I need to toughen up. I was at my child's BB game a couple of Saturdays ago and a MWR (mom with a rebel) was blinding everyone with her flash and wasn't the least bit aware of how annoying she was. I was shooting my wife's D5000 and kit lens without flash and managed keepers, so I'm not sure what the lady with the arc welder was thinking.

cicchino · 01-05-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by WerTicus

Its K-5 or D7000 as your options really. If you're going to stick with Nikon i would probably suggest you look at the d700 though. To swap to Pentax you'd probably not be doing it for the body alone, like above it would be for the lenses or the cost factors.

Vero quello che dici. Infatti il parco ottiche Nikon è notevole. Ma non sono per lo più ottiche dedicate al formato apsc. Mentre Pentax ha un parco ottiche forse meno completo ma quasi tutte costruite per questo formato.
Per il resto, pur avendo lo stesso sensore, la K5 appare decisamente più performante della D7000. Inoltre la costruzione è molto più robusta-

Arpe · 01-06-2011, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135.

Originally posted by Kammerer

And Pentax's 70-200 + 1.4x TC is called DA* 60-250.

SH*t! Does Pentax know they've stuffed it up?

I don't want an up to 135mm f 2.8, I want 200mm f2.8, duh. Plus the ability to choose whether or not I have f2.8 or f4 with a TC.

Arpe · 01-06-2011, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

Both Tamron and Sigma make great 70-200/2.8 lenses, and then there is the superb Pentax AFA x1.7 or the excellent Tamron x1.4 TC (not sure of compatibility of these TCs with the Sigma). Also as mentioned, my next lense, the very very good DA*60-250.

I know, I have a first gen Sigma 70-200. But I want a faster focussing HSM one that has a fully compatible TC. There isn't one.

kevinschoenmakers · 01-06-2011, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Arpe

SH*t! Does Pentax know they've stuffed it up?

I don't want an up to 135mm f 2.8, I want 200mm f2.8, duh. Plus the ability to choose whether or not I have f2.8 or f4 with a TC.

Well then, sadly, Pentax misses the lens you're after. I'd still say the Pentax APS-C line up is more complete, 70-200 or not.

Arpe · 01-06-2011, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Pentax misses the lens you're after

That's all I'm saying!

Well, me and quite a few others on here I've seen ask for one.

01-05-2011, 06:50 PM	#26
cicchino Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: GENOVA Posts: 3	[langtitle=it]K5[/langtitle] Originally posted by WerTicus Its K-5 or D7000 as your options really. If you're going to stick with Nikon i would probably suggest you look at the d700 though. To swap to Pentax you'd probably not be doing it for the body alone, like above it would be for the lenses or the cost factors. Vero quello che dici. Infatti il parco ottiche Nikon è notevole. Ma non sono per lo più ottiche dedicate al formato apsc. Mentre Pentax ha un parco ottiche forse meno completo ma quasi tutte costruite per questo formato. Per il resto, pur avendo lo stesso sensore, la K5 appare decisamente più performante della D7000. Inoltre la costruzione è molto più robusta-

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01-04-2011, 07:02 AM	#16
kevinschoenmakers Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shanghai Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,509	Originally posted by Arpe And yet Pentax's lack of lenses, in particular a 70-200/f2.8 and a 1.4x tc, is one reason I'm looking at going to Nikon! I believe it's quite an incomplete line up. Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135.

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Kammerer Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hampton Roads Photos: Albums Posts: 367	Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135. And Pentax's 70-200 + 1.4x TC is called DA* 60-250.

01-04-2011, 07:57 AM	#18
PinarelloOnly Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Shoreline CT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 86	Originally posted by roka To anyone familiar with K5 and D7000. How does shutter/mirror-slap of K5 compare with D7000 set to 'quiet' mode? My wife has the D7000 and in quite mode the mirror slap up is quite, very quite compared to my K200d. But you still hear it as far as being in church or a school play. Actually it's not that big of a difference between quite and normal mode. In normal shooting if you shoot 1/60 sec. or faster with the D7000, the mirror slap up and down is so fast it sounds like 1 click anyway, just like a D300s. Knowing what my wifes D7000 sounds like it would be impressive if the K-5 is that much quieter in quite mode but then again she'll never use it nor' I'll never use it with a K-5 if I get one this spring. I'm looking at a Canon 60D w/70-200 f/4 "L" lens for only a couple of hundred more than a K-5 body.

01-04-2011, 08:50 AM	#19
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The K-5 doesn't have a "quiet mode"; it is quiet. Which is IMO much better than a fake "quiet" mode on a noisy camera. Last edited by Kunzite; 01-04-2011 at 09:01 AM.

01-04-2011, 10:04 AM	#20
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by Arpe And yet Pentax's lack of lenses, in particular a 70-200/f2.8 and a 1.4x tc, is one reason I'm looking at going to Nikon! I believe it's quite an incomplete line up. Both Tamron and Sigma make great 70-200/2.8 lenses, and then there is the superb Pentax AFA x1.7 or the excellent Tamron x1.4 TC (not sure of compatibility of these TCs with the Sigma). Also as mentioned, my next lense, the very very good DA*60-250.

01-04-2011, 10:25 AM	#21
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	Also the Kenko 1.4x SDM supporting TC. Kenko = Hoya = Pentax ;-)

01-04-2011, 06:31 PM	#22
Usuqa Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scotland Photos: Gallery Posts: 348	I went from a nikon d3 with some of the older f2.8 lens to the k5. Image quality wise the k5 is better imho, lower iso with major ability to push shadows and high iso thats very similar. Higher resolution (altho you need better lens to get that, the d3/d700 can get away with lower quality optics because its pixel pitch is so big). In body stabilization is great(works in video to), my nikon lens were non vr. Exposure compensation is another feature people seem to miss that's only on pentax k5/k7. IMGP0867 by usuqa, on Flick 8mm fish eye with camera tilted to fit the model in the frame. 8mm fish eye with camera level and sensor shifted. The only thing you can do tho is try play with each camera and look at what len's you would like in the future.. the feel of a camera is the most important thing as all dslrs are capable of great images these days.

01-05-2011, 09:02 AM - 1 Like	#23
masloff Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Kiev Photos: Albums Posts: 59 Original Poster	Since someone asked me about motivation behind Nikon -> Pentax migration, they are few but essential to me: 1) pure technical one - high ISO; I like to shoot in dim situations and K-5 seems perfectly right 2) Nikon lens + body is a bit too heavy/big for me - I like when camera is as small and light as possible 3) price factor - Nikkor lens are awesome but expensive and big 4) it`s not Nikon or Canon - attracts less attention (when you travel in some countries, this is a nice addtiton) Lens factor - Pentax line of lenses seems completely fine to me. And when I think to myself: "Dude, I wish I had that lens - that would have been make this picture really shine", I try to remember Cartier-Bresson with 35mm rangefinder + 50mm - that dissolves that stupid thoughts

01-05-2011, 09:49 AM	#24
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135. True. The 70-200 is really a full frame lens that also works on a crop camera. The advantage of the Pentax is in size and weight.

01-05-2011, 10:00 AM	#25
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by Kunzite The K-5 doesn't have a "quiet mode"; it is quiet. Which is IMO much better than a fake "quiet" mode on a noisy camera. I was in the local camera shop. They didn't have the K-5, but a K-7 which I think is nearly as quiet as the K-5. It is quiet, by comparison, by comparison the Nikon D700 sounded like two cymbals being crashed together. You could easily shoot the Pentax at a school play or similar and not annoy those around you. The D7000 was quieter than the 700, but not as quiet as the K-7. I'd be too self conscious to shoot the D700 for more than one frame at a school play. I guess I need to toughen up. I was at my child's BB game a couple of Saturdays ago and a MWR (mom with a rebel) was blinding everyone with her flash and wasn't the least bit aware of how annoying she was. I was shooting my wife's D5000 and kit lens without flash and managed keepers, so I'm not sure what the lady with the arc welder was thinking.

01-06-2011, 01:17 AM	#27
Arpe Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,452	Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers Pentax's 70-200 is called 50-135. Originally posted by Kammerer And Pentax's 70-200 + 1.4x TC is called DA* 60-250. SH*t! Does Pentax know they've stuffed it up? I don't want an up to 135mm f 2.8, I want 200mm f2.8, duh. Plus the ability to choose whether or not I have f2.8 or f4 with a TC.

01-06-2011, 01:19 AM	#28
Arpe Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,452	Originally posted by Frogfish Both Tamron and Sigma make great 70-200/2.8 lenses, and then there is the superb Pentax AFA x1.7 or the excellent Tamron x1.4 TC (not sure of compatibility of these TCs with the Sigma). Also as mentioned, my next lense, the very very good DA*60-250. I know, I have a first gen Sigma 70-200. But I want a faster focussing HSM one that has a fully compatible TC. There isn't one.

01-06-2011, 01:34 AM	#29
kevinschoenmakers Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shanghai Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,509	Originally posted by Arpe SH*t! Does Pentax know they've stuffed it up? I don't want an up to 135mm f 2.8, I want 200mm f2.8, duh. Plus the ability to choose whether or not I have f2.8 or f4 with a TC. Well then, sadly, Pentax misses the lens you're after. I'd still say the Pentax APS-C line up is more complete, 70-200 or not.

01-06-2011, 01:38 AM	#30
Arpe Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,452	Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers Pentax misses the lens you're after That's all I'm saying! Well, me and quite a few others on here I've seen ask for one.