K-5 Firmware v1.03 on Pentax Japan site

JayBee · 03-10-2011, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by ursamajor

Did you used tungsten light? Or it's in low daylight?
Did you RESET camera after the update?

Tungsten light (on a dimmer switch). Center focus. RESET the camera (i.e. turn it off after firmware update, then turn it back on?) Yes.

I redid the test this morning just to be sure, The tripod was still set up, and the dimmer switch for the lights was in the same position. Sun not up yet. Same result. The AF light comes on for Live View, but not in normal mode. Focus would be better if the assist light came on, but the K-5 gives focus confirmation without it.

Smeggypants · 03-10-2011, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Ray Pulley

Smeggy,

A request:

My K20 will not hold DOF in low light (EV2) at f1.4 (FA 50) and probably not at 2.0 either. It is close at 2.8 and in at f4, no trouble at f5.6.

If the K5 would do at least as well as that, it would be ok for most indoor shots I would be shooting (well, except for the bounce issue).

Can you shoot a comparison or test at f4 EV 2 or so?

If that looks ok, I will probably re-order the K5 as it will work about as well as my K20 does.

I must say that the Contrast and PDAF shots in this thread are not at all encouraging, as they look just like the results I saw with my earlier K5 bodies.

Thanks,

Ray

Hi there Ray

I intend to do a direct comparison between the K20D and K-5 today using different lenses and as many different lighting scenarios as I can muster up the energy for

Be few hours though as I have to go out today also

Smeggypants · 03-10-2011, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Class A

What puzzles me slightly about your results is that the K20D is not supposed to do well in Tungsten light. That's why Pentax introduced the colorimetric sensor with the K-7. I wonder how the K20D can outperform the K-5 in all sorts of lighting conditions. In some, maybe, but it shouldn't be able to do it in all of them.

Well I dunno, but last night's frenzy of shooting using the same lens on the K20D and the K-5 in my dimly lit room showed the K20D smoked the K-5 in terms of AF at EV2 and below, Maybe I'm just lucky ot have a good K20D copy.

**Rondec** · 03-10-2011, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by Smeggypants

Well I dunno, but last night's frenzy of shooting using the same lens on the K20D and the K-5 in my dimly lit room showed the K20D smoked the K-5 in terms of AF at EV2 and below, Maybe I'm just lucky ot have a good K20D copy.

I guess you do. My K20 hunts all over the place with EV less than about 3 and front focuses as well if using apertures wider than f2.8 with tungsten lighting. I have pretty much quit using it in those situations and use my K7 instead, because although the high iso isn't as good, the focus is much better.

Smeggypants · 03-10-2011, 06:02 AM

Oh the other thing I noticed is some new behaviour of the Assist light. I turned the ligth off for my initial tests last night, but I decided to turn it on and see what happened. I found the assist light randomly turned on at roughly EV2 in phase AF mode. Also I had situations in similar light levels where the assist light wouldn't show in phase AF but came on everytime when I tried to contrast AF in Live View. most odd.

Smeggypants · 03-10-2011, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by JayBee

Tungsten light (on a dimmer switch). Center focus. RESET the camera (i.e. turn it off after firmware update, then turn it back on?) Yes.

I redid the test this morning just to be sure, The tripod was still set up, and the dimmer switch for the lights was in the same position. Sun not up yet. Same result. The AF light comes on for Live View, but not in normal mode. Focus would be better if the assist light came on, but the K-5 gives focus confirmation without it.

Yes just confirmed that above. Hmmmm

efkelly · 03-10-2011, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Schraubstock

Eric
I do not know what type of flash you are using, but I have a hunch it may have more to do with you flash unit than the camera. I am using the Metz 58 AF-1 with the K-5 and I had a bit of a problem with it similar to yours. However since updating the Metz FW to Ver. 3.0 all problems I previously experienced are gone.

Just for interest I replicated some shots with your above mentioned settings and everything seems perfect to me. My K-5 and the Metz are now a happily married couple.

Greetings from sunny Melbourne

I have used a Metz 58 af-2 and a Metz 50 af-1. They work fine on my K-r. I have 2 K-5's and they both exhibit the same behavior versus the K-r. Will post some pics later-

Frogfish · 03-10-2011, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by DogLover

Did anybody else notice that this firmware loaded waaay faster than 1.02? I just did 1.02 about 48 hrs. ago when I got the camera. Perhaps not much code was required to fix this.

Am I missing something here ? Surely 1.03 will include ALL updates (inc. those of 1.01 and 1.02), No ?

Mirek · 03-10-2011, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

Am I missing something here ? Surely 1.03 will include ALL updates (inc. those of 1.01 and 1.02), No ?

Yes, but there may be some mechanism to compare individual blocks by checksums and replace only the ones that have changed. Maybe not likely, but definitely possible.

dave kitson · 03-10-2011, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

Am I missing something here ? Surely 1.03 will include ALL updates (inc. those of 1.01 and 1.02), No ?

Yes, all included...

dave

vespats · 03-10-2011, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by efkelly

I have used a Metz 58 af-2 and a Metz 50 af-1. They work fine on my K-r. I have 2 K-5's and they both exhibit the same behavior versus the K-r. Will post some pics later-

Do you have the most recent Metz Firmware 3.0 on your Flash Units?

nixifo · 03-10-2011, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by SCGushue

Just a kind word for you for coming forth a few days back on the other forum and taking some lumps and still keeping a positive attitude.

While Pentax has been ultra tight lipped in recent years it's good to see that someone in Greece broke the "silence".

I know that it was posted here by Adam a week back but you boldly stood by your comments. Congrats.

Stephen

Thanks Stephen

GeneV · 03-10-2011, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I guess you do. My K20 hunts all over the place with EV less than about 3 and front focuses as well if using apertures wider than f2.8 with tungsten lighting. I have pretty much quit using it in those situations and use my K7 instead, because although the high iso isn't as good, the focus is much better.

+1. Same for K10d, which I now use manual focus, only. I could fill a hard drive with shots in low light and out of focus with those two.

I sometimes wonder, just reading this thread as an outsider to the K5 world whether some of the folks who are really dissatisfied with the focus on their copy of the K5 hit the jackpot with their copy of the K20d.

Serpiente · 03-10-2011, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by Erik

Judging from some posts in this thread, I think it is probably a good idea to reset the camera to factory settings after installing 1.03.

This!

If you had adjusted the AF, the firmware might alter the AF settings in general. You probably need to reset all the settings and adjust it again. Makes sense to me.

I hope people can confirm this..

**dcmsox2004** · 03-10-2011, 06:55 AM

..... awaiting yoda falk to weigh in when he has tested the firmware.... his nonpareil testing/results will be most interesting to note....

03-10-2011, 06:46 AM	#88
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Rondec I guess you do. My K20 hunts all over the place with EV less than about 3 and front focuses as well if using apertures wider than f2.8 with tungsten lighting. I have pretty much quit using it in those situations and use my K7 instead, because although the high iso isn't as good, the focus is much better. +1. Same for K10d, which I now use manual focus, only. I could fill a hard drive with shots in low light and out of focus with those two. I sometimes wonder, just reading this thread as an outsider to the K5 world whether some of the folks who are really dissatisfied with the focus on their copy of the K5 hit the jackpot with their copy of the K20d. Last edited by GeneV; 03-10-2011 at 06:55 AM.

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03-10-2011, 05:48 AM	#76
JayBee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Manitoba Photos: Gallery Posts: 119	Originally posted by ursamajor Did you used tungsten light? Or it's in low daylight? Did you RESET camera after the update? Tungsten light (on a dimmer switch). Center focus. RESET the camera (i.e. turn it off after firmware update, then turn it back on?) Yes. I redid the test this morning just to be sure, The tripod was still set up, and the dimmer switch for the lights was in the same position. Sun not up yet. Same result. The AF light comes on for Live View, but not in normal mode. Focus would be better if the assist light came on, but the K-5 gives focus confirmation without it.

03-10-2011, 05:54 AM	#77
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by Ray Pulley Smeggy, A request: My K20 will not hold DOF in low light (EV2) at f1.4 (FA 50) and probably not at 2.0 either. It is close at 2.8 and in at f4, no trouble at f5.6. If the K5 would do at least as well as that, it would be ok for most indoor shots I would be shooting (well, except for the bounce issue). Can you shoot a comparison or test at f4 EV 2 or so? If that looks ok, I will probably re-order the K5 as it will work about as well as my K20 does. I must say that the Contrast and PDAF shots in this thread are not at all encouraging, as they look just like the results I saw with my earlier K5 bodies. Thanks, Ray Hi there Ray I intend to do a direct comparison between the K20D and K-5 today using different lenses and as many different lighting scenarios as I can muster up the energy for Be few hours though as I have to go out today also

03-10-2011, 05:58 AM	#78
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by Class A What puzzles me slightly about your results is that the K20D is not supposed to do well in Tungsten light. That's why Pentax introduced the colorimetric sensor with the K-7. I wonder how the K20D can outperform the K-5 in all sorts of lighting conditions. In some, maybe, but it shouldn't be able to do it in all of them. Well I dunno, but last night's frenzy of shooting using the same lens on the K20D and the K-5 in my dimly lit room showed the K20D smoked the K-5 in terms of AF at EV2 and below, Maybe I'm just lucky ot have a good K20D copy.

03-10-2011, 06:02 AM	#79
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by Smeggypants Well I dunno, but last night's frenzy of shooting using the same lens on the K20D and the K-5 in my dimly lit room showed the K20D smoked the K-5 in terms of AF at EV2 and below, Maybe I'm just lucky ot have a good K20D copy. I guess you do. My K20 hunts all over the place with EV less than about 3 and front focuses as well if using apertures wider than f2.8 with tungsten lighting. I have pretty much quit using it in those situations and use my K7 instead, because although the high iso isn't as good, the focus is much better.

03-10-2011, 06:02 AM	#80
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Oh the other thing I noticed is some new behaviour of the Assist light. I turned the ligth off for my initial tests last night, but I decided to turn it on and see what happened. I found the assist light randomly turned on at roughly EV2 in phase AF mode. Also I had situations in similar light levels where the assist light wouldn't show in phase AF but came on everytime when I tried to contrast AF in Live View. most odd.

03-10-2011, 06:04 AM	#81
Smeggypants Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,536	Originally posted by JayBee Tungsten light (on a dimmer switch). Center focus. RESET the camera (i.e. turn it off after firmware update, then turn it back on?) Yes. I redid the test this morning just to be sure, The tripod was still set up, and the dimmer switch for the lights was in the same position. Sun not up yet. Same result. The AF light comes on for Live View, but not in normal mode. Focus would be better if the assist light came on, but the K-5 gives focus confirmation without it. Yes just confirmed that above. Hmmmm

03-10-2011, 06:21 AM	#82
efkelly Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Haven, CT Photos: Albums Posts: 91	Originally posted by Schraubstock Eric I do not know what type of flash you are using, but I have a hunch it may have more to do with you flash unit than the camera. I am using the Metz 58 AF-1 with the K-5 and I had a bit of a problem with it similar to yours. However since updating the Metz FW to Ver. 3.0 all problems I previously experienced are gone. Just for interest I replicated some shots with your above mentioned settings and everything seems perfect to me. My K-5 and the Metz are now a happily married couple. Greetings from sunny Melbourne I have used a Metz 58 af-2 and a Metz 50 af-1. They work fine on my K-r. I have 2 K-5's and they both exhibit the same behavior versus the K-r. Will post some pics later-

03-10-2011, 06:23 AM	#83
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by DogLover Did anybody else notice that this firmware loaded waaay faster than 1.02? I just did 1.02 about 48 hrs. ago when I got the camera. Perhaps not much code was required to fix this. Am I missing something here ? Surely 1.03 will include ALL updates (inc. those of 1.01 and 1.02), No ?

03-10-2011, 06:29 AM	#84
Mirek Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Croatia Photos: Gallery Posts: 64	Originally posted by Frogfish Am I missing something here ? Surely 1.03 will include ALL updates (inc. those of 1.01 and 1.02), No ? Yes, but there may be some mechanism to compare individual blocks by checksums and replace only the ones that have changed. Maybe not likely, but definitely possible.

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dave kitson Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lichfield, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 486	Originally posted by Frogfish Am I missing something here ? Surely 1.03 will include ALL updates (inc. those of 1.01 and 1.02), No ? Yes, all included... dave

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03-10-2011, 06:34 AM	#86
vespats Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 128	Originally posted by efkelly I have used a Metz 58 af-2 and a Metz 50 af-1. They work fine on my K-r. I have 2 K-5's and they both exhibit the same behavior versus the K-r. Will post some pics later- Do you have the most recent Metz Firmware 3.0 on your Flash Units?

03-10-2011, 06:43 AM	#87
nixifo New Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Athens Posts: 6 Original Poster	Originally posted by SCGushue Just a kind word for you for coming forth a few days back on the other forum and taking some lumps and still keeping a positive attitude. While Pentax has been ultra tight lipped in recent years it's good to see that someone in Greece broke the "silence". I know that it was posted here by Adam a week back but you boldly stood by your comments. Congrats. Stephen Thanks Stephen

03-10-2011, 06:48 AM	#89
Serpiente Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 154	Originally posted by Erik Judging from some posts in this thread, I think it is probably a good idea to reset the camera to factory settings after installing 1.03. This! If you had adjusted the AF, the firmware might alter the AF settings in general. You probably need to reset all the settings and adjust it again. Makes sense to me. I hope people can confirm this..

03-10-2011, 06:55 AM	#90
dcmsox2004 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rhode island Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,522	..... awaiting yoda falk to weigh in when he has tested the firmware.... his nonpareil testing/results will be most interesting to note....