K5 disadvantages/issues/missing features

adpo · 06-23-2011, 03:21 AM

quick download of the picture and peek at the exif says a 250mm lens, so im guessing its the DA*60-250.

also, between your camera choicses, i'd probably go for the 60d if the last two things on your wants list were super important and k-5 if you can live without em.

**Rondec** · 06-23-2011, 03:49 AM

It sounds like the K5 has 90 percent of the things you want, although it falls down somewhat in the video area. There are work arounds, to get the exposure/settings you want, but it certainly isn't as easy as just dialing in settings.

I agree with adpo. If video is your thing, then Canon seems to be at the forefront with their cameras (all of which seem to have the same 18 mp sensor).

On the other hand, I do feel like Pentax offers quite a bit. Compactness is important to me. A K5 with a DA limited can go anywhere. Take Canon/Nikon with one of their higher end lenses and you will lose some of that portability.

valy · 06-23-2011, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by valy

- movie full hd, manual exposure controls (for astrophoto)

How can solve this? Can I cheat somehow? If there is an option then doesn't matter if is easy or hard to do it.

Originally posted by valy

- control from PC: camera settings, live preview (astrophoto)

I found that there is a software that controls the camera, but doesn't do live view. This can be achieved thru a separate TV/Monitor (with HDMI IN). Of course can be used the on camera live view.

la_nonna · 06-23-2011, 04:07 AM

Thinks I don't like about k-5
- SD cards :slow and less secure than CF
- zoom lenses not comparable with the opponents
- No FF. I know there is the MF 645 but its not the same thing

JohnBee · 06-23-2011, 04:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by la_nonna

Thinks I don't like about k-5
- SD cards :slow and less secure than CF

Are you sure about that?

MrApollinax · 06-23-2011, 04:16 AM

For what it's worth, I too started with the K100Ds and then recently upgraded to a K5. The capabilities of the K5 far outshine those of the K100Ds workhorse I had used for so long. Tethering and Movie controls aren't too big a deal for me so it has been a pretty welcome upgrade and well worth the price in my opinion.

valy · 06-23-2011, 04:31 AM

I don't know is SD is fast or slow but if I could get 7fps the I don't care. The problem is when the buffer is full and the camera must write the images while you still shooting. If I have a lag of 2-3 secs when I can't take images then there is a problem.

Regarding the FPS:
- a wish is the possibility to set the fps between 1-7, not just low and high.

MrApollinax, of course K5 is like a dream compared with the k100d, I don't have any doubt, but k5 is not perfect.

asp1880 · 06-23-2011, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by valy

I don't know is SD is fast or slow but if I could get 7fps the I don't care. The problem is when the buffer is full and the camera must write the images while you still shooting. If I have a lag of 2-3 secs when I can't take images then there is a problem.

When the buffer is full, the shooting rate will drop. Most cameras do this. Only the pro cameras have the throughput to sustain burst shooting indefinitely, like Canon 1D I think. Check the specs and reviews for detailed info about the cameras on your short list.

You can still take more pictures, change exposure and shooting mode while the K-5 clears its buffer to the card. But you can't review pictures or go into the menus, it'll show an hourglass on the screen. If you reduce the jpeg size, the buffer will clear faster. I sometimes do this for casual work.

Sincerely,
--Anders.

ginsbu · 06-23-2011, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by hcarvalhoalves

Pentax stabilization is in the body and shifts the sensor (focal plane) in all 3 axis. The system used on Canon and Nikon damps the movement on the lens elements. The "panning mode" for Canon - which is only available on some IS lenses that feature 2 gyros - simply disables this dampening action on the panning direction. For all effects, is the same as disabling IS.

It's possible to implement IBIS with modes for panning -- Olympus does.

aleonx3 · 06-23-2011, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by la_nonna

Thinks I don't like about k-5
- SD cards :slow and less secure than CF

first time I heard it... SD card is the defacto standard (and will get faster) it will replace CF which not only bulky but the pin connectors are prone to fail or bent.
If anything, SD card will get better, faster and cheaper, easier to insert/reinsert than CF card, which is used only in certain Canikon 'older' camera models.

goddo31 · 06-23-2011, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by valy

This is what I call a good image. What lens did you used?
Thanks.

Thanks valy, it was the DA*60-250 f/4

pinholecam · 06-23-2011, 08:07 AM

- SR on one axis for panning
>> IIRC its 2 or 3 axis

- does not produces consistent sharp images as for example nikon does. I've seen "almost perfect" images taken with nikon (BIF, air shows, action, kids) but not so many (actually only very few) with pentax
>> Not really true. There are much more users for Nikon, therefore more genres shot as a result (we can even claim that Pentax cannot do fashion if its based on shots done by brand of camera).
The camera is capable of getting most shots if the user knows what to do (at least on APS-S). On APS-C, the claim is that Canikon is better, but I have no had experience of this to comment.

- movie manual controls
>>Not a strong point for Pentax. How serious are you in doing movies anyway?
With that I mean, if you are looking at high production standard kind of stuff (together
with associated techniques and setups) , maybe settle for an industry 'standard' 5DII.
If its more for America's Funniest Videos type shots, then anything with video will do.

kittykat46 · 06-23-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by valy:

;1553314.....
K-5:
-- does not produces consistent sharp images as for example nikon does. I've seen "almost perfect" images taken with nikon (BIF, air shows, action, kids) but not so many (actually only very few) with pentax
- movie manual controls
Thanks for your opinions.

I'm not sure how you got the impression the K-5 cannot take consistently sharp images. I suppose if you just hang around the K-5 forum here you will read a lot of loudly expressed negatives...part of the reason I rarely visit here now.

I prefer to spend my free time taking shots with my K-5, and it hasn't dissappointed me. For high-speed action I would say equivalent Nikon models do it with less effort, for most other situations I've been in the K-5 is NOT inferior in any way.

JohnBee · 06-23-2011, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by pinholecam

does not produces consistent sharp images as for example nikon does. I've seen "almost perfect" images taken with nikon (BIF, air shows, action, kids) but not so many (actually only very few) with pentax

The question that comes across my mind when reading this is why anyone would believe such a thing?

WerTicus · 06-23-2011, 02:51 PM

No the K-5 is not perfect but its better than any other APS-C camera out there, and unless your very very good, its probably better than you are.

06-23-2011, 07:02 AM	#24
ginsbu New Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Olympus IBIS has panning modes Originally posted by hcarvalhoalves Pentax stabilization is in the body and shifts the sensor (focal plane) in all 3 axis. The system used on Canon and Nikon damps the movement on the lens elements. The "panning mode" for Canon - which is only available on some IS lenses that feature 2 gyros - simply disables this dampening action on the panning direction. For all effects, is the same as disabling IS. It's possible to implement IBIS with modes for panning -- Olympus does.

06-23-2011, 07:46 AM	#25
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by la_nonna Thinks I don't like about k-5 - SD cards :slow and less secure than CF first time I heard it... SD card is the defacto standard (and will get faster) it will replace CF which not only bulky but the pin connectors are prone to fail or bent. If anything, SD card will get better, faster and cheaper, easier to insert/reinsert than CF card, which is used only in certain Canikon 'older' camera models. Last edited by aleonx3; 06-23-2011 at 08:32 AM. Reason: added comments

06-23-2011, 10:50 AM	#29
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by pinholecam does not produces consistent sharp images as for example nikon does. I've seen "almost perfect" images taken with nikon (BIF, air shows, action, kids) but not so many (actually only very few) with pentax The question that comes across my mind when reading this is why anyone would believe such a thing? Last edited by JohnBee; 06-23-2011 at 03:20 PM.

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adpo Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 888	quick download of the picture and peek at the exif says a 250mm lens, so im guessing its the DA*60-250. also, between your camera choicses, i'd probably go for the 60d if the last two things on your wants list were super important and k-5 if you can live without em.

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	It sounds like the K5 has 90 percent of the things you want, although it falls down somewhat in the video area. There are work arounds, to get the exposure/settings you want, but it certainly isn't as easy as just dialing in settings. I agree with adpo. If video is your thing, then Canon seems to be at the forefront with their cameras (all of which seem to have the same 18 mp sensor). On the other hand, I do feel like Pentax offers quite a bit. Compactness is important to me. A K5 with a DA limited can go anywhere. Take Canon/Nikon with one of their higher end lenses and you will lose some of that portability.

06-23-2011, 04:04 AM	#18
valy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bucharest Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by valy - movie full hd, manual exposure controls (for astrophoto) How can solve this? Can I cheat somehow? If there is an option then doesn't matter if is easy or hard to do it. Originally posted by valy - control from PC: camera settings, live preview (astrophoto) I found that there is a software that controls the camera, but doesn't do live view. This can be achieved thru a separate TV/Monitor (with HDMI IN). Of course can be used the on camera live view.

06-23-2011, 04:07 AM	#19
la_nonna New Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: ragusa, Sicily Posts: 14	Thinks I don't like about k-5 - SD cards :slow and less secure than CF - zoom lenses not comparable with the opponents - No FF. I know there is the MF 645 but its not the same thing

06-23-2011, 04:13 AM - 1 Like	#20
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by la_nonna Thinks I don't like about k-5 - SD cards :slow and less secure than CF Are you sure about that?

06-23-2011, 04:16 AM	#21
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	For what it's worth, I too started with the K100Ds and then recently upgraded to a K5. The capabilities of the K5 far outshine those of the K100Ds workhorse I had used for so long. Tethering and Movie controls aren't too big a deal for me so it has been a pretty welcome upgrade and well worth the price in my opinion.

06-23-2011, 04:31 AM	#22
valy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bucharest Posts: 120 Original Poster	I don't know is SD is fast or slow but if I could get 7fps the I don't care. The problem is when the buffer is full and the camera must write the images while you still shooting. If I have a lag of 2-3 secs when I can't take images then there is a problem. Regarding the FPS: - a wish is the possibility to set the fps between 1-7, not just low and high. MrApollinax, of course K5 is like a dream compared with the k100d, I don't have any doubt, but k5 is not perfect.

06-23-2011, 06:07 AM	#23
asp1880 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lyngby, Copenhagen Photos: Albums Posts: 742	Originally posted by valy I don't know is SD is fast or slow but if I could get 7fps the I don't care. The problem is when the buffer is full and the camera must write the images while you still shooting. If I have a lag of 2-3 secs when I can't take images then there is a problem. When the buffer is full, the shooting rate will drop. Most cameras do this. Only the pro cameras have the throughput to sustain burst shooting indefinitely, like Canon 1D I think. Check the specs and reviews for detailed info about the cameras on your short list. You can still take more pictures, change exposure and shooting mode while the K-5 clears its buffer to the card. But you can't review pictures or go into the menus, it'll show an hourglass on the screen. If you reduce the jpeg size, the buffer will clear faster. I sometimes do this for casual work. Sincerely, --Anders.

06-23-2011, 08:01 AM	#26
goddo31 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,576	Originally posted by valy This is what I call a good image. What lens did you used? Thanks. Thanks valy, it was the DA*60-250 f/4

06-23-2011, 08:07 AM	#27
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,709	- SR on one axis for panning >> IIRC its 2 or 3 axis - does not produces consistent sharp images as for example nikon does. I've seen "almost perfect" images taken with nikon (BIF, air shows, action, kids) but not so many (actually only very few) with pentax >> Not really true. There are much more users for Nikon, therefore more genres shot as a result (we can even claim that Pentax cannot do fashion if its based on shots done by brand of camera). The camera is capable of getting most shots if the user knows what to do (at least on APS-S). On APS-C, the claim is that Canikon is better, but I have no had experience of this to comment. - movie manual controls >>Not a strong point for Pentax. How serious are you in doing movies anyway? With that I mean, if you are looking at high production standard kind of stuff (together with associated techniques and setups) , maybe settle for an industry 'standard' 5DII. If its more for America's Funniest Videos type shots, then anything with video will do.

06-23-2011, 09:17 AM	#28
kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Originally posted by valy: ;1553314..... K-5: -- does not produces consistent sharp images as for example nikon does. I've seen "almost perfect" images taken with nikon (BIF, air shows, action, kids) but not so many (actually only very few) with pentax - movie manual controls Thanks for your opinions. I'm not sure how you got the impression the K-5 cannot take consistently sharp images. I suppose if you just hang around the K-5 forum here you will read a lot of loudly expressed negatives...part of the reason I rarely visit here now. I prefer to spend my free time taking shots with my K-5, and it hasn't dissappointed me. For high-speed action I would say equivalent Nikon models do it with less effort, for most other situations I've been in the K-5 is NOT inferior in any way.

06-23-2011, 02:51 PM	#30
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	No the K-5 is not perfect but its better than any other APS-C camera out there, and unless your very very good, its probably better than you are.