Originally posted by Schraubstock The OP's experiment makes interesting reading but while it seems to point at a battery/voltage problem with his camera in my case the course for the mirror flutter appears to be a different one.
I purchased my K5 late in Feb. this year. I run 2 original PENTAX batteries together with an original PENTAX grip.
The Cam worked faultlessly up until I traveled to Cambodia some 6 weeks ago. The temperature in Cambodia this time of the year is around the 38-40C and 100% humidity. The mirror flutter and malfunctioning buttons of my K5 was constant.
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In Chicago the temp was around the 25-28C and the camera was in use 4 days with fully charged batteries without any hickups.
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In New York though the temp last week was some 35-38C and the K5 was malfunctioning with frequent mirror flutter triggered by various button presses.
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Today I am in San Francisco 15th July, the temp is around the 14C mark and my K5 is working faultlessly!
So to me at least it indicates that the problems are temperature related. I have been in the unique position to have traveled through some extreme climate/temperature locations within a short time and pretty consistently the K5 works when it is cool but mucks up when it is hot.
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Originally posted by Schraubstock Before my cam started to misbehave it had little use and I had not used the machine gun setting up to this point. So if your theory holds true than I hate to think what will happen after 2 or three years of use. I think it simply is an electronic component malfunctioning which would explain why the mirror flutter and other problems can be triggered by a number of unrelated button presses.
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Schraubstock: I give up on my friction idea
, the consistency of your experience and others, really seems to point to an electrical problem.
Originally posted by jamesm007 I think your the type who will really enjoy looking at the service manuals...There is plastic gears that move the mirror and aperture lever arm. ..There is also many places that need grease...
James, thanks for posting these gear images!! It shows that a good deal of design is involved in the mechanical linkage and actuation. When something like this goes wrong, it tends to go wrong all the time - so i'm thinking electrical instead of my friction theory (now).
Originally posted by rvannatta Unfortuantly the situation with mirror flopping on my K5 has esclated rapidly. I first noticed it just a flop or two a month ago. A couple of weeks ago it was really irritating after the battery change as it flopped so much as to interfere with a photo shoot i was doing. Yesterday I had to recharge the battery, and when reinstalled. it pretty much flopped most of the time when ever you turned it on and the camera was unusable. I let it sit overnight figuring that the edge would drift off the battery by sitting around, and it did.--- just occasional flops and you could take photos with it between the occasional flops
Yours is the kind of camera that needs to be submitted for repairs - i'll explain later.
Originally posted by geezer52 I've only done a quick re-read of this thread but the problem seems to reported mainly by folks using Pentax batteries. Since Lithium batteries have some safety circuitry installed isn't it just as likely to be a problem with a batch of bad batteries rather than a camera problem. ...
There's this cliche about fixing machinery: Mechanical problems are easy to find but hard to fix, electrical problems are hard to find, but easy to fix.
The intermittent heat/temperature related flopping problems are going to be harder for the Pentax authorized repair shops to find and fix. The best problem cameras to send in are like the one that rvanatta discussed, where anytime he has a charged battery, its flopping the mirror until the battery wears down. By all means, folks should provide written descriptions along with the cameras they send in for repairs. Don't rely on repair shops to find out this stuff on their own, or you will more often than not, be disappointed with the results, i.e. non-repair.
Reading these replies is some good news, i no longer think this is a wear problem but a problem with some electrical part on some circuit board. And i doubt that everyone will be affected. We just need to get some cameras in for repair that are doing it all the time or whenever the battery is charged. The temp. related cameras have the same problem as the other flopping mirror cameras, but aren't going to be the best first cameras to send in on this issue. IMHO
I don't think this problem has anything to do with batteries or chargers, other than the fact that a fully charged battery seems to be required for the problem to occur. I'm going on at 5 months with my K5, no flopping mirror and feel much more relieved after reading these various posts.