Originally posted by Class A Your list is by no means complete but I give you that you are often wrong.
Yeah, the peril of a bad memory.
I remember being wrong about the first couple or more problems that harried the K5 was not something fundamentally wrong with the camera.
So you are telling me that in addition to my list, there are even more potential problems awaiting an unsuspecting K5 buyer?
You aren't doing very well at making your case.
Why don't you help your case more and list every problem that the camera has had since it's introduction a year ago.
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You are wrong again when you discourage someone from buying one of the best APS-C cameras available just because there have been QC issues.
Remind users that it's the best while they wait for it to come back for repair.....
But seriously, I am only discouraging people from buying one if they can't afford to play roulette with whether their camera gear will work or not.
IE: "if you don't like playing the odds, then the K5 is not the right camera simply because it has so many potential issues."
Quote: If you want to be helpful, try harder.
Ah, another internet nanny.
We needed a few more.
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However, I did so in order to argue that QC should be improved. Compiling such a list to argue that one shouldn't get a K-5 is wrong, IMHO. I'd be a fool if QC issues deterred me to get the best Pentax APS-C ever.
You would perhaps, ans actually, so would I.
But you and I are not necessarily the best sample. I'm so invested in Pentax lenses that they could put a turd with a sensor on the market and I'd probably buy it.
But at this point, I'd not be trying to tell people that it wasn't a turd.
Quote: I'd rather send a camera back once or twice rather than depriving myself of all the goodness it has to offer when it works. All of the nasty problems (lens release button falling off, etc.) have a known solution. It's not like there is a fundamental systematic problem, e.g., hot pixels that Pentax does not know how to fix.
Sure, you would. I would to.
But if you had no investment in Pentax and just wanted a camera, would you?
BTW, when a button falls of does it get replaced with a new and improved button that won't fall off again?
When a circuit board goes flakey, does it get a new and improved board that for sure isn't going to have the same problem again?
Quote: What is the risk? If someone cannot stand to send a camera in for a warranty repair, yes, perhaps at the current time the likelihood of having to do that is higher with the K5. But should that really influence which camera one is buying?
I fixed your sentence so that it would parse.
In the case of Tony3D, the risk is having a brick rather than a camera while he is on what, for all you and I know, is a once in a lifetime trip to Italy.
For anyone who, for whatever reason, doesn't want to deal with repairs, whether warranted or not, it might matter to them.
For anyone who wants some assurance that their camera isn't going to turn into a paperweight while they are using it, it might matter.
BTW, the cure for Tony's camera was, apparently, sending it back for replacement. There is no guarantee that there won't be something wrong with the next one, is there.
I find it amazing, you dump on me when I start a positive thread about the K5 by saying I am mocking the people who are having difficulties with faulty cameras, and then you dump on me for being practical about all the problems that this camera seems to be generating.
Is this what you call playing Devil's Advocate?
Originally posted by starstuff ...and keep in mind that people who have a problem with the camera are more likely to post in the forums for advice and help than someone for whom the camera is working perfectly. What a dull post that would be!! "Just got my K5 and there isn't a thing wrong with it." (which would, btw, be *my* post)
Yeah, I started a thread with a post much like that. I got piled on for taunting people with problems, and several people used it as an excuse to insult me.
Be positive about the K5 at your own risk, for you might insult one of the many, many people who got a dud camera; but don't dare say anything negative either, you might scare someone into playing a safer hand.
The irony is that the same people who were at my throat for being positive are the same ones at my throat for being negative.
It's actually pretty funny.