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09-11-2011, 06:44 AM   #31
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The Shutterbug magazine just published an enthusiastic review about the K-5. In the corresponding thread you'll find some people report initial problems they had, but note how they still love their K-5 nevertheless.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote

I hope Wheatfield didn't succeed in detracting you from buying a K-5. He might argue that creating a thread where he sarcastically proclaims "OMG, something is wrong with my K-5: it doesn't have a fault" is a positive thread and that he was genuinely trying to be helpful in this thread, but I hope you see through his latest hat trick of victimising himself. Anyhow, that's not important.

What is important is why do you have the level of hubris that you have?
You seem to know everything about everything, but the reality, sadly, is that you know very little.
But carry on with your cheer leading, pompoms and a little frilly outfit suits your mentality.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
What is important is why do you have the level of hubris that you have?
You seem to know everything about everything, but the reality, sadly, is that you know very little.
But carry on with your cheer leading, pompoms and a little frilly outfit suits your mentality.

I see you didn't care much for that "middle of the road" agenda I recommended. That's fine we are all different. I do see that I failed to mention that when you step out into the traffic lane, you are highly likely to get hit by an 18 wheeler going 80mph.........sometimes you don't even see it coming. It makes a big mess, but other drivers just go around you....well, around what is left of you.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rupert Quote
I see you didn't care much for that "middle of the road" agenda I recommended. That's fine we are all different. I do see that I failed to mention that when you step out into the traffic lane, you are highly likely to get hit by an 18 wheeler going 80mph.........sometimes you don't even see it coming. It makes a big mess, but other drivers just go around you....well, around what is left of you.
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Rupert, I've read one (well two now) horror stories too many. The K5 comes up with a new way to break down far, far too often. If the camera had one or two things wrong with it, there wouldn't be an issue, but it's the sheer volume of different failures that the camera comes up with to fail that has me concerned.
If it was just stains, or just bad AF, that would be one thing, but we've seen that plus a dozen or more completely unrelated failure types now.
Hoya appears to have built the K5 by sourcing parts that failed quality control, and then put no quality control into the build as well.

Too many different failures.
I can't, in good faith, continue to be a cheerleader for a camera that has so many potential problems that it's impossible to know if one is going to bite it's user or not.
A good K5 is a nice camera, but not knowing if the thing is a ticking time bomb or not is a little hard to take.
Let the people who want to cheer lead for the camera do their thing, but let's let the people who are realistic about what the K5 is have their say as well, and let them have their say without the ad hominem attacks (which was what netted my response that you commented on).
It annoys me when people of no character attack my character.
My (recently changed) opinion that the K5 is a lemon looking for a place to be squeezed, given the number of different failures this camera is producing, is just as if not more valid than the people who are saying just buy the thing and deal with it's myriad failures under warranty or returns.
If Ricoh can straighten the thing out by fixing the internal and external QC issues that this camera has, I will most certainly change my mind about it, but this ongoing failure lottery from hell is a little bit more than what the user base should be expected to tolerate.

Edit: It isn't lost on me that ClassA has ignored my post #25. Perhaps the questions I asked are a little hard to answer truthfully while still being a corporate shill for a company that has shot itself in both feet and is now sawing off it's crutches.


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Wheatfield, no one I see is denying that there are problems, and no one is happy about it, least of all me. While we are making the best of a bad situation for some, we have to be honest and admit that most do not appear to have any problems. I pick up my K5 and it just works...every time. Granted, shooting Squirrels and lovely models is not a demanding task, but it performs flawlessly every time...inside or outside or hot or hotter ( we haven't had any other choices her in six months!).

I am sure Ricoh has plans to do much better when they take over, no doubt they want to make a profit and grow Pentax, and warranties will cover most of us until we are ready to upgrade to the new "latest and greatest"...every couple of years for me, being the case.

I do have to remind Otis every time there is a storm, that despite his insistence in scaring the younger Squirrels that the sky is falling, it is in reality, only a few acorns. Like everything in this world, it will pass, no one will die, and the sun will shine as brightly as ever....and I will be shooting it with my K5 or whatever the next "latest and greatest" may be.

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Accurate or overstated?

QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
but it's the sheer volume of different failures that the camera comes up with to fail that has me concerned.
...but we've seen that plus a dozen or more completely unrelated failure types now.
With all due respect I am not sure that the description of "a dozen or more" is helpful in terms of reality. Perhaps you can list out what you see as unrelated failures and we can estimate how many people have been affected by each one?
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With all due respect I am not sure that the description of "a dozen or more" is helpful in terms of reality.
Of course it is not helpful, it is hyperbole. He won't be able to back up that claim.

I know because I have compiled a list of K-5 issues myself in another thread in a response to an implied statement that there aren't any K-5 production problems. Claiming the latter is as wrong as implying one buys a "time bomb" when buying a K-5.

P.S.: In case anyone is interested, I haven't responded to Wheatfield's post#25 because I'm not interested in getting pulled into mudslinging. Of course I could rebut all of his allegations -- accusing me of being a K-5 fanboy is quite comical as anyone (e.g., Rupert) knowing my post history will be able to attest -- but I don't see the point because Wheatfield does not seem to respond to arguments and his posts seem to degenerate into ad hominem attacks over time.
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Well, I don't want to beat up on Wheatfield, he does pretty well on his own at self inflicted damage, but he does have some good points, just pushes it a little to far and a little too hard. I've been guilty of the same at times.....hope I can avoid it in the future.

Meanwhile, not much short of my K5 exploding in my hands will draw me away from my feelings toward it. Even that would not deter Otis, but would probably delight him to view!

It hasn't changed my life appreciably, or made me a better shooter...for sure, but it has brought back some fun and joy I was missing, and it has brought new shooting opportunities for me to try to live up to. Those with the K5 understand this best, I believe.
No point in pounding on such a machine, it just wouldn't make good sense. The future will hold many new opportunities no doubt, but for this moment in time, I am enjoying what I have. I hope others can and will do the same.
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I for one never did buy a K5, despite a heavy investment in Pentax glass and cameras since 1972. I didn't buy one for exactly the reasons outlined in Wheatfield's posts above. For me, the brand "Pentax" was synonymous with quality which earned my loyalty repeatedly. No more. "Shoddy" is the word used by Wheatfield to characterize Pentax' quality control on the K5. He is right.

I have been happily "unbranded" for six months now, and admit that I have been having the time of my life this summer with a Canon with a flip out screen. When my flawless K200D and K20D die, I might look for another (cheapest or used) body to keep my Pentax glass happy.
Or not. I would have no problem switching to Canon or Nikon. With what I know now, I only need one high end body and two quality lenses, tops. Well, maybe three. Probably five lenses would do it. But it's doable and highly likely that it will happen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by snofox Quote
I for one never did buy a K5, despite a heavy investment in Pentax glass and cameras since 1972. I didn't buy one for exactly the reasons outlined in Wheatfield's posts above. For me, the brand "Pentax" was synonymous with quality which earned my loyalty repeatedly. No more. "Shoddy" is the word used by Wheatfield to characterize Pentax' quality control on the K5. He is right.

I have been happily "unbranded" for six months now, and admit that I have been having the time of my life this summer with a Canon with a flip out screen. When my flawless K200D and K20D die, I might look for another (cheapest or used) body to keep my Pentax glass happy.
Or not. I would have no problem switching to Canon or Nikon. With what I know now, I only need one high end body and two quality lenses, tops. Well, maybe three. Probably five lenses would do it. But it's doable and highly likely that it will happen.




Funny how fast we fall into the lens addiction.....even in a thread we can't resist the temptation! In real life of course, it is even worse!

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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
Of course it is not helpful, it is hyperbole. He won't be able to back up that claim.
These all seem like discrete problems, though to be fair, the way the OPs have worded things, it's possible that there is some crossover.


https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/158532-my-k-5-dies-when-...s-shutter.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/158582-about-ready-throw...-my-k-5-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/152033-k5-mirror-flops-s...gun-found.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/158338-k5-mirror-stuck-up-flop.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/130318-k5-frozen-problem.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/157895-k5-liveview-exit-issue.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/147149-lens-release-butt...-my-k-5-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/142537-dust-underneath-k-5-lcd-screen.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/149797-how-adjust-calibrate-auto-level.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/156220-front-e-dial-problem.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/155889-focus-points-off-center.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/155484-troubleshooting-c...cs-itself.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/154738-my-k-5-freezing-issues.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/150649-dead-k5-time-leave-pentax.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/145951-k5-dead.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/144091-dead-k-5-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/125320-anyone-encounter-...and-wheel.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/147261-my-new-k-5-mode-d...ways-lock.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/142503-somethings-wrong.html
Why didn't anyone jump down this guys throat?

I'm tired of looking, there might well be more.
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Add in the sensor stains and the flakey focusing.

Anyway, I count 20 + a bit of forum hypocrisy from the usual gang of cheerleaders.

Is this really an acceptable number of DIFFERENT complaints?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
These all seem like discrete problems, though to be fair, the way the OPs have worded things, it's possible that there is some crossover.


https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/158532-my-k-5-dies-when-...s-shutter.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/158582-about-ready-throw...-my-k-5-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/152033-k5-mirror-flops-s...gun-found.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/158338-k5-mirror-stuck-up-flop.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/130318-k5-frozen-problem.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/157895-k5-liveview-exit-issue.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/147149-lens-release-butt...-my-k-5-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/142537-dust-underneath-k-5-lcd-screen.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/149797-how-adjust-calibrate-auto-level.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/156220-front-e-dial-problem.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/155889-focus-points-off-center.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/155484-troubleshooting-c...cs-itself.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/154738-my-k-5-freezing-issues.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/150649-dead-k5-time-leave-pentax.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/145951-k5-dead.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/144091-dead-k-5-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/125320-anyone-encounter-...and-wheel.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/147261-my-new-k-5-mode-d...ways-lock.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5-forum/142503-somethings-wrong.html
Why didn't anyone jump down this guys throat?

I'm tired of looking, there might well be more.
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Add in the sensor stains and the flakey focusing.

Anyway, I count 20 + a bit of forum hypocrisy from the usual gang of cheerleaders.

Is this really an acceptable number of DIFFERENT complaints?
Why not go out and take some photos?
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Anyway, I count 20 + a bit of forum hypocrisy from the usual gang of cheerleaders.
If you want to double and triple count a few isolated issues, be my guest. I'm convinced that the true list of any K-5 issues one may encounter with any noteworthy likelihood is far, far shorter.

You now may have managed to scare away someone from a K-5 by compiling a list of issues, though it is entirely unclear to what extent a similar list could be compiled for another camera model. Feeling happy now?

And all that from someone who hasn't got a single issue with his own copy...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
Add in the sensor stains and the flakey focusing.
  1. sensor stains are history. Are D7000 hot pixels history as well?
  2. let's hear an expert on the K-5's AF below.
From Wheatfield's "The K5 in the Studio" thread:
"The AF is fast and accurate.
...
Any fears anyone might have about the K5 not producing sharp images can take a rest. I used the 70LTD and everything is extremely tight.
"
Here's Wheatfield when he doesn't want to "help" someone who ponders about getting a K-5:
"It's a pity that people can't figure out why they got a warranty. It seems the first stop is the internet to see who they can moan at.

Nikon dropped the ball on the D7000, it has defects, Canon dropped the ball on the EOS1 mk3, it has both defects and design flaws (this in a camera costing thousands more than the K5), want to talk about dropping the ball?
Ford, General Motors, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Mazda, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Rolls Royce, Bentley have all "dropped the ball".

If the K5 was quality controlled to the point of having zero defects in 100% of the units shipped you wouldn't have bought one because it would cost too much.

So take your warranty claim, wait for the cameras to be restocked and get your replacement.
Or, go play roulette with another camera manufacturer because they are all the same with regard to "dropping the ball

....

I honestly don't know if Pentax has a higher failure rate than other manufacturers or not. I just accept that there will be a failure rate and try not to get my shorts all knotted up over it.
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When did I write that? Was it last November and December, well before this new crop of problems cropped up? By what ordination is a person not allowed to learn, and change an opinion based on what they have learned?
Sure, people were trashing the camera last winter, and I wasn't being nice about it. That's old news, I admitted it myself a day or two ago when you decided to turn me into your personal internet crusade of righteousness.
The point is, IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER, IT APPEARS TO BE GETTING WORSE.
The thing has been on the market for a year now, not a few months like it was when I posted your quotes.
When do you suppose they will get the bugs/flawed components/crappy QC ironed out? Next month? Before it's replaced? Never?
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By what ordination is a person not allowed to learn, and change an opinion based on what they have learned?
Counter question: How many forum posts do you need to go from
"I honestly don't know if Pentax has a higher failure rate than other manufacturers or not."
to knowing that there is a serious QC problem that demands you to stand up and warn people about the K-5?

Another question: What is different about a lens release button falling off today back then when you wrote:
"I just accept that there will be a failure rate and try not to get my shorts all knotted up over it."
Somehow you ascertained that the failure rate crossed a critical level so that no level of warranty service will ever result in a reliable K-5 copy?

Again, all that from someone who hasn't got a single issue with his own copy...

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