Tried TAV For The First Time...

Docrwm · 07-23-2012, 10:37 AM

This is a great way to go because grain is fixable in post-processing, particularly with the K-5, but hand shake and DoF really aren't.

**andre-mz5** · 07-23-2012, 10:55 AM

I already used TAv with the K10D when I was shooting sports. However the high iso performance of the k10 could not help me when shooting indoor sports. Now with the introduction of the K5 that high iso performance realy covers a very wide spectrum. I have auto iso set to 100-6400, but in dim sport arena's I will set it to 100-10000.
So yes, I'm a big fan of TAv

StephenHampshire · 07-23-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Tav mode is one of the coolest features on the better cams, i use it a lot when i am shooting with an AF lens (sadly it doesn't apply for manual focus lenses

)

yes it does if they have an A setting!

eddie1960 · 07-23-2012, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by StephenHampshire

yes it does if they have an A setting!

Sadly my MF lenses are mostly Taks (well not sadly they are great lenses) I'm in process of getting rid of the m/k series and will just keep the m4/2 stuff (which is a pretty complete range from 20-300 just missing a 24 and maybe a better 300)
I can shoot av mode with auto iso set to fast though which is close

StephenHampshire · 07-23-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Sadly my MF lenses are mostly Taks (well not sadly they are great lenses) I'm in process of getting rid of the m/k series and will just keep the m4/2 stuff (which is a pretty complete range from 20-300 just missing a 24 and maybe a better 300)
I can shoot av mode with auto iso set to fast though which is close

Thats true and a good tip.

tabl10s · 07-23-2012, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

What was the shutter speed in TAV compared to the shutter speed in AV?

6400 vs one much lower(can't remember).

JinDesu · 07-23-2012, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by tabl10s

6400 vs one much lower(can't remember).

What lens did you use and what aperture? If you set the shutter speed to 1/6400s indoors, I can see why the k-5 chose ISO 10,000 for that shot.

**todd** · 07-23-2012, 12:34 PM

I love this mode. It was such a pleasant surprise when I got my k5. Combined with the high iso performance it allows me to better/more easily use my slower lenses in many more circumstances than I could before...

tabl10s · 07-23-2012, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

What was the shutter speed in TAV compared to the shutter speed in AV?

Originally posted by JinDesu

What lens did you use and what aperture? If you set the shutter speed to 1/6400s indoors, I can see why the k-5 chose ISO 10,000 for that shot.

43 Ltd@1.9-2.2 for isolation because guys love your bokeh(which is a term I never saw until I joined this site). I think what's throwing me off is I'm thinking in terms of ASA as I love fine grain.

So, if I'm thinking correctly, you have shutter/aperture control in Manual, Hyper-program and TAv...right?

JinDesu · 07-23-2012, 02:53 PM

Makes sense - I'll assume the shutter speed set in Av mode was about 1/80, which would match double the focal length.

im not sure about hyper program. From the manuals, i thought hyper program allow you to switch between Sv or Av quickly, but not allow full manual.

tabl10s · 07-23-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Makes sense - I'll assume the shutter speed set in Av mode was about 1/80, which would match double the focal length.

im not sure about hyper program. From the manuals, i thought hyper program allow you to switch between Sv or Av quickly, but not allow full manual.

Probably (AV). Hyper is Manual if you don't like what the camera choose's(I choose Jiff btw...:^). TAv allows you to switch between Tv and Av on the fly.

snake · 07-24-2012, 08:27 AM

So maybe it would help me understand TAV better if I know how it differs from Hyperprogram using the Auto ISO function. I'm switching shutter and aperture manually when I'm in P-mode, I tailor what the ISO does and how fast or slow it goes, then when I want to go to a selected range that's appropriate to shoot before one can think, I simply hit the green button and it goes back to a standard P move with auto ISO.

So how is TAV different and it would help to understand it if I know exactly what conditions it's made for.

JinDesu · 07-24-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by snake

So maybe it would help me understand TAV better if I know how it differs from Hyperprogram using the Auto ISO function. I'm switching shutter and aperture manually when I'm in P-mode, I tailor what the ISO does and how fast or slow it goes, then when I want to go to a selected range that's appropriate to shoot before one can think, I simply hit the green button and it goes back to a standard P move with auto ISO.

So how is TAV different and it would help to understand it if I know exactly what conditions it's made for.

To me, TAV is manual with auto-ISO, and that's how it's done on the K-01. So if you are an avid manual user like me, TAV is a godsend since there's only two dials.

eddie1960 · 07-24-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

To me, TAV is manual with auto-ISO, and that's how it's done on the K-01. So if you are an avid manual user like me, TAV is a godsend since there's only two dials.

best explanation of it.

snake · 07-24-2012, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

To me, TAV is manual with auto-ISO, and that's how it's done on the K-01. So if you are an avid manual user like me, TAV is a godsend since there's only two dials.

But then Hyperprogram is manual with auto ISO, which is TAv, but it also allows the camera, when there isn't time to set it up, to snap off a shot by adjusting basic parameters on its own, but then go back to manual without having to fiddle with the mode dial.

07-23-2012, 12:34 PM	#23
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,800	I love this mode. It was such a pleasant surprise when I got my k5. Combined with the high iso performance it allows me to better/more easily use my slower lenses in many more circumstances than I could before... Last edited by todd; 07-23-2012 at 12:45 PM.

07-23-2012, 02:33 PM	#24
tabl10s Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sacramento(formerly from B'Ham, England). Posts: 1,424 Original Poster	Originally posted by boriscleto What was the shutter speed in TAV compared to the shutter speed in AV? Originally posted by JinDesu What lens did you use and what aperture? If you set the shutter speed to 1/6400s indoors, I can see why the k-5 chose ISO 10,000 for that shot. 43 Ltd@1.9-2.2 for isolation because guys love your bokeh(which is a term I never saw until I joined this site). I think what's throwing me off is I'm thinking in terms of ASA as I love fine grain. So, if I'm thinking correctly, you have shutter/aperture control in Manual, Hyper-program and TAv...right? Last edited by tabl10s; 07-23-2012 at 02:56 PM.

07-23-2012, 03:02 PM	#26
tabl10s Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sacramento(formerly from B'Ham, England). Posts: 1,424 Original Poster	Originally posted by JinDesu Makes sense - I'll assume the shutter speed set in Av mode was about 1/80, which would match double the focal length. im not sure about hyper program. From the manuals, i thought hyper program allow you to switch between Sv or Av quickly, but not allow full manual. Probably (AV). Hyper is Manual if you don't like what the camera choose's(I choose Jiff btw...:^). TAv allows you to switch between Tv and Av on the fly. Last edited by tabl10s; 07-24-2012 at 09:51 AM.

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07-23-2012, 10:37 AM	#16
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	This is a great way to go because grain is fixable in post-processing, particularly with the K-5, but hand shake and DoF really aren't.

07-23-2012, 10:55 AM	#17
andre-mz5 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eindhoven Photos: Gallery Posts: 268	I already used TAv with the K10D when I was shooting sports. However the high iso performance of the k10 could not help me when shooting indoor sports. Now with the introduction of the K5 that high iso performance realy covers a very wide spectrum. I have auto iso set to 100-6400, but in dim sport arena's I will set it to 100-10000. So yes, I'm a big fan of TAv

07-23-2012, 11:05 AM	#18
StephenHampshire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Winchester Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,523	Originally posted by eddie1960 Tav mode is one of the coolest features on the better cams, i use it a lot when i am shooting with an AF lens (sadly it doesn't apply for manual focus lenses ) yes it does if they have an A setting!

07-23-2012, 11:16 AM	#19
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by StephenHampshire yes it does if they have an A setting! Sadly my MF lenses are mostly Taks (well not sadly they are great lenses) I'm in process of getting rid of the m/k series and will just keep the m4/2 stuff (which is a pretty complete range from 20-300 just missing a 24 and maybe a better 300) I can shoot av mode with auto iso set to fast though which is close

07-23-2012, 11:33 AM	#20
StephenHampshire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Winchester Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,523	Originally posted by eddie1960 Sadly my MF lenses are mostly Taks (well not sadly they are great lenses) I'm in process of getting rid of the m/k series and will just keep the m4/2 stuff (which is a pretty complete range from 20-300 just missing a 24 and maybe a better 300) I can shoot av mode with auto iso set to fast though which is close Thats true and a good tip.

07-23-2012, 12:11 PM	#21
tabl10s Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sacramento(formerly from B'Ham, England). Posts: 1,424 Original Poster	Originally posted by boriscleto What was the shutter speed in TAV compared to the shutter speed in AV? 6400 vs one much lower(can't remember).

07-23-2012, 12:31 PM	#22
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by tabl10s 6400 vs one much lower(can't remember). What lens did you use and what aperture? If you set the shutter speed to 1/6400s indoors, I can see why the k-5 chose ISO 10,000 for that shot.

07-23-2012, 02:53 PM	#25
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Makes sense - I'll assume the shutter speed set in Av mode was about 1/80, which would match double the focal length. im not sure about hyper program. From the manuals, i thought hyper program allow you to switch between Sv or Av quickly, but not allow full manual.

07-24-2012, 08:27 AM	#27
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	So maybe it would help me understand TAV better if I know how it differs from Hyperprogram using the Auto ISO function. I'm switching shutter and aperture manually when I'm in P-mode, I tailor what the ISO does and how fast or slow it goes, then when I want to go to a selected range that's appropriate to shoot before one can think, I simply hit the green button and it goes back to a standard P move with auto ISO. So how is TAV different and it would help to understand it if I know exactly what conditions it's made for.

07-24-2012, 08:41 AM	#28
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by snake So maybe it would help me understand TAV better if I know how it differs from Hyperprogram using the Auto ISO function. I'm switching shutter and aperture manually when I'm in P-mode, I tailor what the ISO does and how fast or slow it goes, then when I want to go to a selected range that's appropriate to shoot before one can think, I simply hit the green button and it goes back to a standard P move with auto ISO. So how is TAV different and it would help to understand it if I know exactly what conditions it's made for. To me, TAV is manual with auto-ISO, and that's how it's done on the K-01. So if you are an avid manual user like me, TAV is a godsend since there's only two dials.

07-24-2012, 08:59 AM	#29
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by JinDesu To me, TAV is manual with auto-ISO, and that's how it's done on the K-01. So if you are an avid manual user like me, TAV is a godsend since there's only two dials. best explanation of it.

07-24-2012, 09:02 AM	#30
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	Originally posted by JinDesu To me, TAV is manual with auto-ISO, and that's how it's done on the K-01. So if you are an avid manual user like me, TAV is a godsend since there's only two dials. But then Hyperprogram is manual with auto ISO, which is TAv, but it also allows the camera, when there isn't time to set it up, to snap off a shot by adjusting basic parameters on its own, but then go back to manual without having to fiddle with the mode dial.