Adobe Camera Raw Support For K-5II/s

apac · 10-31-2012, 06:01 PM

Do you think Adobe will issue update to camera raw for Photoshop CS5 that supports K-5II/s PEF files? Right now I have the format set to DNG. Is there a notable image quality difference between PEF and DNG?

Adam · 10-31-2012, 06:09 PM

You'd be fine sticking with DNG files, because they are losslessly compressed anyway. Usually they're fairly quick to release updates, and there's no question about the fact that ACR will eventually be updated to support the II/IIs.

neil · 10-31-2012, 09:52 PM

The ACR component CS5 will not be updated, to receive updates to ACR you would need to upgrade to CS6.

My K-5 IIs files work in DNG with ACR 7.2 (the most current version) if Photoshop CS6.

My K-5 IIs .PEF files open in DXO Optics Pro 7 & 8 (which I just upgraded to today). DXO does a great job handling the files and really makes them shine.

ogl · 11-01-2012, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by apac

Do you think Adobe will issue update to camera raw for Photoshop CS5 that supports K-5II/s PEF files? Right now I have the format set to DNG. Is there a notable image quality difference between PEF and DNG?

I open DNG from K-5IIs in CS5 without any problem.

**bjdavey** · 11-01-2012, 03:11 AM

Has anyone been able to open K-5IIs PEF files in Aperture?

**boriscleto** · 11-01-2012, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by bjdavey

Has anyone been able to open K-5IIs PEF files in Aperture?

You will have to wait for Apple to update Camera RAW. And since the last update was less than a week ago, you will probably be better off shooting DNG. PEF is a dinosaur anyway, it won't be around much longer.

apac · 11-01-2012, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I open DNG from K-5IIs in CS5 without any problem.

Yes, that is what I am doing right now. I may just have to stick to DNG then since Adobe may not update ACR for CS5

apac · 11-01-2012, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by neil

My K-5 IIs .PEF files open in DXO Optics Pro 7 & 8 (which I just upgraded to today). DXO does a great job handling the files and really makes them shine.

I am going to have to check DXO out, have never used it. Thanks for the tip.

abmj · 11-01-2012, 08:22 AM

FWIW, I haven't used PEF in years. Everything starts with DNG, which is likely to remain "compatible" for the foreseeable future. Quality-wise, there really isn't any difference.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-01-2012, 10:12 AM

Stop using PEF, that is history!

**bjdavey** · 11-01-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

You will have to wait for Apple to update Camera RAW. And since the last update was less than a week ago, you will probably be better off shooting DNG. PEF is a dinosaur anyway, it won't be around much longer.

Good advice - thanks.

neil · 11-03-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

You will have to wait for Apple to update Camera RAW. And since the last update was less than a week ago, you will probably be better off shooting DNG. PEF is a dinosaur anyway, it won't be around much longer.

PEF is a dinosaur?

What about .ORF, .NEF, .SR2, .RAF, .X3F (I could go on) Raw file types? Are they "dinosaurs" as well?

How do you figure that .PEF won't be around much longer? Are you an engineer for Pentax/Ricoh?

Just curious...

**boriscleto** · 11-03-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by neil

PEF is a dinosaur?

What about .ORF, .NEF, .SR2, .RAF, .X3F (I could go on) Raw file types? Are they "dinosaurs" as well?

How do you figure that .PEF won't be around much longer? Are you an engineer for Pentax/Ricoh?

Just curious...

Why was it not included with the K-01 & K-30? What advantage does it have over DNG? Why include a format that requires a software update every time a new camera is released?

neil · 11-03-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Why was it not included with the K-01 & K-30? What advantage does it have over DNG? Why include a format that requires a software update every time a new camera is released?

Don't get me wrong, I am not for (or against) the .PEF format, I was just curious about your comments. My comments may have come across as inflammatory but that was not my intention.

If they are going in the direction of .DNG only why did they include .PEF in my K-5 IIs?

**boriscleto** · 11-03-2012, 08:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by neil

Don't get me wrong, I am not for (or against) the .PEF format, I was just curious about your comments. My comments may have come across as inflammatory but that was not my intention.

If they are going in the direction of .DNG only why did they include .PEF in my K-5 IIs?

Because it was already in the firmware. If you look at what Ricoh was doing before they bought Pentax you will notice they were going to DNG exclusively. There just isn't any reason to include a proprietary format, Pentax isn't trying to sell you software like Nikon or Canon, and DNG is widely supported by third party software the moment the camera is released.

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10-31-2012, 09:52 PM	#3
neil Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 182	The ACR component CS5 will not be updated, to receive updates to ACR you would need to upgrade to CS6. My K-5 IIs files work in DNG with ACR 7.2 (the most current version) if Photoshop CS6. My K-5 IIs .PEF files open in DXO Optics Pro 7 & 8 (which I just upgraded to today). DXO does a great job handling the files and really makes them shine.

11-01-2012, 12:19 AM	#4
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by apac Do you think Adobe will issue update to camera raw for Photoshop CS5 that supports K-5II/s PEF files? Right now I have the format set to DNG. Is there a notable image quality difference between PEF and DNG? I open DNG from K-5IIs in CS5 without any problem.

11-01-2012, 03:11 AM	#5
bjdavey Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Alexandria, VA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 162	Has anyone been able to open K-5IIs PEF files in Aperture?

11-01-2012, 05:28 AM	#6
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by bjdavey Has anyone been able to open K-5IIs PEF files in Aperture? You will have to wait for Apple to update Camera RAW. And since the last update was less than a week ago, you will probably be better off shooting DNG. PEF is a dinosaur anyway, it won't be around much longer.

11-01-2012, 05:44 AM	#7
apac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Metro Detroit Photos: Gallery Posts: 139 Original Poster	Originally posted by ogl I open DNG from K-5IIs in CS5 without any problem. Yes, that is what I am doing right now. I may just have to stick to DNG then since Adobe may not update ACR for CS5

11-01-2012, 05:48 AM	#8
apac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Metro Detroit Photos: Gallery Posts: 139 Original Poster	Originally posted by neil My K-5 IIs .PEF files open in DXO Optics Pro 7 & 8 (which I just upgraded to today). DXO does a great job handling the files and really makes them shine. I am going to have to check DXO out, have never used it. Thanks for the tip.

11-01-2012, 08:22 AM	#9
abmj Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Central California Posts: 600	FWIW, I haven't used PEF in years. Everything starts with DNG, which is likely to remain "compatible" for the foreseeable future. Quality-wise, there really isn't any difference.

11-01-2012, 10:12 AM	#10
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Stop using PEF, that is history!

11-01-2012, 10:35 AM	#11
bjdavey Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Alexandria, VA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 162	Originally posted by boriscleto You will have to wait for Apple to update Camera RAW. And since the last update was less than a week ago, you will probably be better off shooting DNG. PEF is a dinosaur anyway, it won't be around much longer. Good advice - thanks.

11-03-2012, 06:45 PM	#12
neil Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 182	Originally posted by boriscleto You will have to wait for Apple to update Camera RAW. And since the last update was less than a week ago, you will probably be better off shooting DNG. PEF is a dinosaur anyway, it won't be around much longer. PEF is a dinosaur? What about .ORF, .NEF, .SR2, .RAF, .X3F (I could go on) Raw file types? Are they "dinosaurs" as well? How do you figure that .PEF won't be around much longer? Are you an engineer for Pentax/Ricoh? Just curious...

11-03-2012, 07:19 PM	#13
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by neil PEF is a dinosaur? What about .ORF, .NEF, .SR2, .RAF, .X3F (I could go on) Raw file types? Are they "dinosaurs" as well? How do you figure that .PEF won't be around much longer? Are you an engineer for Pentax/Ricoh? Just curious... Why was it not included with the K-01 & K-30? What advantage does it have over DNG? Why include a format that requires a software update every time a new camera is released?

11-03-2012, 07:58 PM	#14
neil Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 182	Originally posted by boriscleto Why was it not included with the K-01 & K-30? What advantage does it have over DNG? Why include a format that requires a software update every time a new camera is released? Don't get me wrong, I am not for (or against) the .PEF format, I was just curious about your comments. My comments may have come across as inflammatory but that was not my intention. If they are going in the direction of .DNG only why did they include .PEF in my K-5 IIs?

11-03-2012, 08:14 PM - 1 Like	#15
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by neil Don't get me wrong, I am not for (or against) the .PEF format, I was just curious about your comments. My comments may have come across as inflammatory but that was not my intention. If they are going in the direction of .DNG only why did they include .PEF in my K-5 IIs? Because it was already in the firmware. If you look at what Ricoh was doing before they bought Pentax you will notice they were going to DNG exclusively. There just isn't any reason to include a proprietary format, Pentax isn't trying to sell you software like Nikon or Canon, and DNG is widely supported by third party software the moment the camera is released.