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11-26-2012, 03:31 PM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by gooseta Quote
the thing that leaves me thinking how oly sell the omd is it is that it is the same price as high end APS-C SLRs, it's just around the A77/D7000/K5ii(s) price point with a smaller sensor, WAY less lens selection and worse high iso, not to mention less detail from a smaller sensor.
One of the perks with using micro 4/3rds and 4/3rds is with the lenses. They are typically much sharper edge to edge than aps-c or FF. "Worse high iso" and "less detail" I never encountered with my EM-5. All previous Oly (and Panasonic) cameras, yes. The EM-5 didn't just raise the bar over previous (crappy) sensors, it blew through the roof.

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OM-D is simply outstanding. I have a K-30 and two OM-Ds. OM-D almost never misses focus in low light.
Note that the K-30 is only sensitive to -1Ev like the K-5. Only the K-5 II and IIs have upgraded low light focus. I believe the only other camera that's sensitive to -3Ev is one the Full-Frame Canons.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rparmar Quote
But MFT has some amazing lenses as well. Right now I carry the Panasonic 14mm and Olympus 45mm. Images are every bit as good as most Pentax glass (reserving only the FA43 / 77 for special consideration). And now there is the 75mm with stellar rendering that seems to be tackling the FA77 head on.
I'm sorry, but once you have mentioned the Pana 14mm lens I think you dropped the ball there. The 14mm lens is one of the worst lenses I've ever used. Soft in corners, loads of CA, loads of PF. The rendering is sub bar, yet people push it as a great lens because it's a prime. When I tell them all the shortcomings, I'm told "but it's cheap". And then people compare them to pentax glass or even pentax limiteds.

I bought it when it first came out for AU$400, which was a rip off and left a bad taste when it comes to m4/3 system. This lens is probably better on panasonic bodies, since they will do a lot more correction in software when it comes to CA etc... But Oly doesn't do it. With LR 4 I was finally able to go through my old photos and make them usable. In my opinion this lens is best to be avoided and there's much better stuff out there.
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Why do people say the K5iis is a specialist tool? I am an amateur with a K5iis, I take landscapes, architecture and general walking around shots? It's not like a medium format or anything It's still a NORMAL CAMERA
Is discussed in another thread but why isnt a medium format a normal camera?

Lets not go into that shall we.
If you want an answer from me, the gains of having no AA filter are there but they arent big enough to make a difference in the final output of your image. Having no AA will not make a photo worse or better if you get what i mean.
So the problem with moire, which i already have sometimes with the normal K5 is not worth it in my opinion.

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QuoteOriginally posted by gooseta Quote
the thing that leaves me thinking how oly sell the omd is it is that it is the same price as high end APS-C SLRs, it's just around the A77/D7000/K5ii(s) price point with a smaller sensor, WAY less lens selection and worse high iso, not to mention less detail from a smaller sensor.
The A77 shouldnt be in the list though, it handicaps themselves with the fixed mirror...

Anyway the APS-C DSLR image quality are indeed better but the OMD is often good enough and there are some lovely lenses for 4/3th system. Most likely 4/3th have more lenses than Pentax these days so where you come from that they have WAY less i dont know...

What it comes down to is the form factor and your needs which one is the best.
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The A77 shouldnt be in the list though, it handicaps themselves with the fixed mirror...

Anyway the APS-C DSLR image quality are indeed better but the OMD is often good enough and there are some lovely lenses for 4/3th system. Most likely 4/3th have more lenses than Pentax these days so where you come from that they have WAY less i dont know...

What it comes down to is the form factor and your needs which one is the best.
I cound 30 lenses on the m43 site, and count 37 on Pentax. Sure there are some lovely omd lenses, but there are better PEntax lenses and I just can't wrap my head around the price tag of the OMD body. its insane
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I cound 30 lenses on the m43 site, and count 37 on Pentax. Sure there are some lovely omd lenses, but there are better PEntax lenses and I just can't wrap my head around the price tag of the OMD body. its insane
The E-M5 price was too high for me (and therefore I didn't buy it) but I still thought it was a very good camera with good lenses. I believe there's a pretty good consensus that Olympus has the best JPEG engine out there, too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gooseta Quote
I cound 30 lenses on the m43 site, and count 37 on Pentax. Sure there are some lovely omd lenses, but there are better PEntax lenses and I just can't wrap my head around the price tag of the OMD body. its insane
Not sure if that total includes all of the 4/3rds lenses or not. While they are large and slow to focus on the E-M5, Olympus is supposedly working on a way to get them to function properly with micro 4/3rds. If that happens, the system will offer some of the best lenses money can buy. Their 4/3rds zooms are far superior to anything from Pentax, but Pentax has far more stellar primes. As to the body, I don't think $1,000USD for a truly weather sealed, 10fps, tiltable OLED display, etc., is bad at all. Unless you feel it is too much for something that small...

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Not sure if that total includes all of the 4/3rds lenses or not. While they are large and slow to focus on the E-M5, Olympus is supposedly working on a way to get them to function properly with micro 4/3rds. If that happens, the system will offer some of the best lenses money can buy. Their 4/3rds zooms are far superior to anything from Pentax, but Pentax has far more stellar primes. As to the body, I don't think $1,000USD for a truly weather sealed, 10fps, tiltable OLED display, etc., is bad at all. Unless you feel it is too much for something that small...
It's too much money for a teeny weeny sensor. Look at the K-01, it's APS-C with a full lens lineup for $350, you can buy THREE K-01 APS-Cs for the price of the smaller-sensored OMD.

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The E-M5 price was too high for me (and therefore I didn't buy it) but I still thought it was a very good camera with good lenses. I believe there's a pretty good consensus that Olympus has the best JPEG engine out there, too.
?? M4/3 has nothing equal to the 50-135, 60-250, or 12-24, Also, there is no disadvantege to shooting RAW for better resolution, unless you don't have enough money for a decent sized card.
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It's too much money for a teeny weeny sensor. Look at the K-01, it's APS-C with a full lens lineup for $350, you can buy THREE K-01 APS-Cs for the price of the smaller-sensored OMD.
To be fair, the weather sealing, 10fps, and tilt display (which a lot of people are asking for nowadays) is that cost, not the sensor. And yes, the K-01 is a bargain at $350, but that's because it's been dropped to that price now. If for some reason Olympus drops their price like Pentax did, then it would become a lot more comparable no?
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Good luck shooting RAW with the K-01.

price of the OMD, think about the OLED viewfinder, WR and the processing engine.

As for the sensor, it's not that much smaller...
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QuoteOriginally posted by gooseta Quote
?? M4/3 has nothing equal to the 50-135, 60-250, or 12-24, Also, there is no disadvantege to shooting RAW for better resolution, unless you don't have enough money for a decent sized card.
Not everyone wants to shoot everything in RAW and of course there's a "disadvantage" in that you have to spend time to PP the images. I don't see how having the best JPEG engine is not a feature with a benefit -- even if it might not benefit everyone.
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It's too much money for a teeny weeny sensor. Look at the K-01, it's APS-C with a full lens lineup for $350, you can buy THREE K-01 APS-Cs for the price of the smaller-sensored OMD.


Yes, "teeny weeny." It seems you are implying that the sensor is too small to be rated so high by reviews, DXO, etc.



As to the K-01, yes you can buy three of them currently. Any takers?
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Since when did this become buyolympus.com? Is no-one going to vouch for the amount of resolution you miss with the omd compared to the similarly priced K5ii/s?
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This has been discussed quite a bit. The OM-D sensor basically scores the same as the kx sensor or the Nikon D90. Both are decent cameras, but both have been surpassed by more recent models. That said, if you like the feel of the Olympus (it is too small for me) then I don't think the sensor will hold you back. I personally feel like the K5 without a grip is too small, I wouldn't want to go smaller.
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