Originally posted by brntoki All input so far has been helpful. I wasn't aware of the "First Day" thread. Thanks for pointing that out.
I say that I need FF. I can produce good images even with my GH1, but there are definite limitations. I thought all FF were completely out of my budget, but with stretching and planning I can probably pull it off (I didn't know how inexpensive a d600 was, and the d800 either, really). I would just wait longer, but the limits of my current camera are straining me, mostly notably in DR, which is probably the biggest factor for needing to do something sooner rather than later. The K5 would definitely fix that problem, and improve things greatly across the board.
ok so far, nothing suprizing, the K5 in any form is an excellent camera with good dynamic range and image quality.
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A big reason for FF also is for bigger prints. I'm not really dissatisfied with ~19 inch prints with my current setup, but will be printing images larger ~24, ~36 sometimes, and occasionally perhaps larger (or I'd at least like a chance to). Even though I may not start printing that large very soon, the images I capture now will have the ability to be nicely printed at those sizes when I can/do. This is the reason for the dilemma. For what I'm actually doing right now, today, I can live and be very, very happy with a K5; no question. What I can't do is stay pat. And what I don't want to do is get going in one system and then have to change later.
ok here's where the wheels fall off the bigger prints argument. a full frame camera has a lower pixel density than the APS C cameras, therefore, in terms of ultimate enlargement, if you scale only by pixels, you can actually make the same size images with both. i'm not sure this is a valid argument. to really get bigger prints you need to go medium format. Sure you can spread the image over a bigger sensor with FF bit this is not the same as resolution
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So, for right now the K5 makes sense. But, considering the bigger picture, a D600 may make more sense.
Normhead, your advice about not waiting to see what Pentax is going to do is probably exactly right. I hope my local camera shop has a D600 I can hold (if they don't I'll completely give up on them, I think).
it is hard to say whether you really need FF or not. if you want it , go and get it, but then you are more likely headed to canon or nikon. just remember, though, if you start getting lenses, for full frame, you have to start buying them with your APS C body otherwise, going full frame later has you replacing all your lenses any way. If this is the case, then you have nothing to loose starting with pentax, because the FF glass would all be a replacement anyway