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tabl10s · 04-10-2013, 11:13 PM

it would have compared to...?

Steinback · 04-11-2013, 12:14 AM

Nikon F5, Nikon F6, Canon 1V, EOS-3, Pentax MZ-S (in some respects).

Aside from crop sensor/viewfinder vs full frame arguments, only the very last generations of pro film cameras came anywhere close to the speed and level of features we take for granted in current mid level and pro DSLRs. Weather sealed magnesium alloy bodies were exotic for a film camera, as were drive modes in the 7 frame per second range and multi segment metering and AF. User accessible AF adjust was virtually unheard of. Even the 1/180 flash sync stacks up well against most film cameras.

**kiwi_jono** · 04-11-2013, 12:57 AM

Well said Steinback.

In terms of build the K-5 is comparable to higher end film cameras but obviously completely different style.

Wish the K-5 could offer ISO 64 or better yet 25 though - even if quality was the same as ISO 80! Technical reasons it doesn't of course.

Stone G. · 04-11-2013, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Steinback

Nikon F5, Nikon F6, Canon 1V, EOS-3, Pentax MZ-S (in some respects).

Aside from crop sensor/viewfinder vs full frame arguments, only the very last generations of pro film cameras came anywhere close to the speed and level of features we take for granted in current mid level and pro DSLRs. Weather sealed magnesium alloy bodies were exotic for a film camera, as were drive modes in the 7 frame per second range and multi segment metering and AF. User accessible AF adjust was virtually unheard of. Even the 1/180 flash sync stacks up well against most film cameras.

And imagine what an in-body Shake Reduction mechanism for analogue film would have to be like.............

Nuff · 04-11-2013, 03:37 AM

It's still in use today. It's a tripod.

I like my film cameras better than K5. First of all, it's so much easier to see through the viewfinder at night, not to mention compose. The viewfinder quality went down with invention of autofocus.

hooverfocus · 04-11-2013, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by Nuff

It's still in use today. It's a tripod.

I like my film cameras better than K5. First of all, it's so much easier to see through the viewfinder at night, not to mention compose. The viewfinder quality went down with invention of autofocus.

Pretty much anything skill-related (not just in photography) went down with the invention of anything auto-.

Don't get me wrong, God bless ease of use, but sometimes it's good to know you can still make it on your own should technology fail you.

Pontax · 04-11-2013, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Nuff

First of all, it's so much easier to see through the viewfinder at night, not to mention compose. The viewfinder quality went down with invention of autofocus.

Yep, I miss the viewfinder of my Contax but I love my K5 nevertheless.

Nuff · 04-11-2013, 04:57 AM

Don't get me wrong, I like my K5 as well. But I love the old cameras and film and it will never be able to substitute them, even tho it's a great camera.
For example I was composing a photo just before dawn. I could barely see anything out of the K5 viewfinder, no such issues with my Pentax ME Super with its very bright and large viewfinder.

Originally posted by Pontax

Yep, I miss the viewfinder of my Contax but I love my K5 nevertheless.

**Rondec** · 04-11-2013, 06:51 AM

The kids these days don't know how good they've got it...

Just about any camera out there these days has capabilities that would have only been dreamed about back in film days.

toooldtocare · 04-11-2013, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

The kids these days don't know how good they've got it...

Just about any camera out there these days has capabilities that would have only been dreamed about back in film days.

This is true, when I was a working pro shooting weddings with medium format cameras I only had manual exposure (I had to guess the f-stop because no auto flashes existed) and I had to manual focus often in dark churches. Today, even non-pro DSLR's can give results only obtainable with medium format 30 or 40 years ago. That said, I still shoot more film than digital, it is part of my soul. But, I love my K5, I traded a Canon 5DII for it with no regrets after I retired.

johnyates · 04-11-2013, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Nuff

For example I was composing a photo just before dawn. I could barely see anything out of the K5 viewfinder

That's when you realize how valuable Live View is.

Nuff · 04-11-2013, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by johnyates

That's when you realize how valuable Live View is.

It would have been valuable if it worked as well as my eyes do in dark.

IchabodCrane · 04-12-2013, 06:35 AM

Semi-OT but curious.... I don't know much about Nikon and Canon mounts but do their stabilized lenses work as such on their film SLRs?

Nuff · 04-12-2013, 06:49 AM

Yes they do, I used to own a nikon F100 with a stabilised 80-200mm zoom. I think Canon came out first with them, but I could be mistaken.

Edit: a quick google search came up with this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm
Just look at the VR lenses

johnha · 04-16-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by tabl10s

it would have compared to...?

Umm, a Z-1 (PZ-1) loaded with Kodachrome 64. Might be 20 yrs older but it had the same user interface as far as the photographic features went. The first Pentax to offer spot metering, Hyper modes and double-dial operation. It fits the hand almost exactly the same.

Only bettered by a Z-1 loaded with Kodachrome 25.

04-10-2013, 11:13 PM	#1
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04-11-2013, 12:14 AM	#2
Steinback Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: GTA, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,673	Nikon F5, Nikon F6, Canon 1V, EOS-3, Pentax MZ-S (in some respects). Aside from crop sensor/viewfinder vs full frame arguments, only the very last generations of pro film cameras came anywhere close to the speed and level of features we take for granted in current mid level and pro DSLRs. Weather sealed magnesium alloy bodies were exotic for a film camera, as were drive modes in the 7 frame per second range and multi segment metering and AF. User accessible AF adjust was virtually unheard of. Even the 1/180 flash sync stacks up well against most film cameras.

04-11-2013, 12:57 AM	#3
kiwi_jono Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,437	Well said Steinback. In terms of build the K-5 is comparable to higher end film cameras but obviously completely different style. Wish the K-5 could offer ISO 64 or better yet 25 though - even if quality was the same as ISO 80! Technical reasons it doesn't of course.

04-11-2013, 03:20 AM	#4
Stone G. Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Zealand, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,516	Originally posted by Steinback Nikon F5, Nikon F6, Canon 1V, EOS-3, Pentax MZ-S (in some respects). Aside from crop sensor/viewfinder vs full frame arguments, only the very last generations of pro film cameras came anywhere close to the speed and level of features we take for granted in current mid level and pro DSLRs. Weather sealed magnesium alloy bodies were exotic for a film camera, as were drive modes in the 7 frame per second range and multi segment metering and AF. User accessible AF adjust was virtually unheard of. Even the 1/180 flash sync stacks up well against most film cameras. And imagine what an in-body Shake Reduction mechanism for analogue film would have to be like.............

04-11-2013, 03:37 AM	#5
Nuff Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 671	It's still in use today. It's a tripod. I like my film cameras better than K5. First of all, it's so much easier to see through the viewfinder at night, not to mention compose. The viewfinder quality went down with invention of autofocus.

04-11-2013, 03:48 AM	#6
hooverfocus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 210	Originally posted by Nuff It's still in use today. It's a tripod. I like my film cameras better than K5. First of all, it's so much easier to see through the viewfinder at night, not to mention compose. The viewfinder quality went down with invention of autofocus. Pretty much anything skill-related (not just in photography) went down with the invention of anything auto-. Don't get me wrong, God bless ease of use, but sometimes it's good to know you can still make it on your own should technology fail you.

04-11-2013, 04:05 AM	#7
Pontax Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bornholm Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 160	Originally posted by Nuff First of all, it's so much easier to see through the viewfinder at night, not to mention compose. The viewfinder quality went down with invention of autofocus. Yep, I miss the viewfinder of my Contax but I love my K5 nevertheless.

04-11-2013, 04:57 AM	#8
Nuff Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 671	Don't get me wrong, I like my K5 as well. But I love the old cameras and film and it will never be able to substitute them, even tho it's a great camera. For example I was composing a photo just before dawn. I could barely see anything out of the K5 viewfinder, no such issues with my Pentax ME Super with its very bright and large viewfinder. Originally posted by Pontax Yep, I miss the viewfinder of my Contax but I love my K5 nevertheless.

04-11-2013, 06:51 AM	#9
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,668	The kids these days don't know how good they've got it... Just about any camera out there these days has capabilities that would have only been dreamed about back in film days.

04-11-2013, 09:20 AM	#10
toooldtocare Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lake Saint Louis Posts: 126	Originally posted by Rondec The kids these days don't know how good they've got it... Just about any camera out there these days has capabilities that would have only been dreamed about back in film days. This is true, when I was a working pro shooting weddings with medium format cameras I only had manual exposure (I had to guess the f-stop because no auto flashes existed) and I had to manual focus often in dark churches. Today, even non-pro DSLR's can give results only obtainable with medium format 30 or 40 years ago. That said, I still shoot more film than digital, it is part of my soul. But, I love my K5, I traded a Canon 5DII for it with no regrets after I retired.

04-11-2013, 11:24 AM	#11
johnyates Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Saskatoon, SK Photos: Albums Posts: 1,345	Originally posted by Nuff For example I was composing a photo just before dawn. I could barely see anything out of the K5 viewfinder That's when you realize how valuable Live View is.

04-11-2013, 11:03 PM	#12
Nuff Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 671	Originally posted by johnyates That's when you realize how valuable Live View is. It would have been valuable if it worked as well as my eyes do in dark.

04-12-2013, 06:35 AM	#13
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Semi-OT but curious.... I don't know much about Nikon and Canon mounts but do their stabilized lenses work as such on their film SLRs?

04-12-2013, 06:49 AM	#14
Nuff Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 671	Yes they do, I used to own a nikon F100 with a stabilised 80-200mm zoom. I think Canon came out first with them, but I could be mistaken. Edit: a quick google search came up with this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm Just look at the VR lenses

04-16-2013, 04:43 PM	#15
johnha Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Lancashire, UK Photos: Albums Posts: 1,155	Originally posted by tabl10s it would have compared to...? Umm, a Z-1 (PZ-1) loaded with Kodachrome 64. Might be 20 yrs older but it had the same user interface as far as the photographic features went. The first Pentax to offer spot metering, Hyper modes and double-dial operation. It fits the hand almost exactly the same. Only bettered by a Z-1 loaded with Kodachrome 25.

If The K-5 Were A Film Camera And Loaded With K64....

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