Originally posted by ZombieArmy Hello everyone!
My name is Brian and I've been researching for a camera in the 600-900 dollar price range that can act as a very good first camera jam packed with all the features a beginner could ever need. For the longest time I've actually been looking at the Canon 60D and the Nikon D7000 as the top contenders for me. However after seeing a video on Digital Rev that compared the Nikon D7100 and the Pentax K-5 IIS, I've been extremely interested in the camera. I've spent hours looking through flickr pools of all the cameras that I've been considering, and the Pentax in my opinion has outshined them all, and so I thought "this is the camera I'm going to get!"
But then I looked at the video quality on Youtube. I don't know if it was because of amateur use or what, but the video quality on this Pentax is simply awful, worse than an old iphone practically (maybe a bit of an exaggeration
) The rolling shutter effect is noticeable with just normal handling from what I've seen in demonstrations on youtube. Of course there are only like 3-4 videos compared to the hundreds on the 60D (which also have proper tests dealing with ISO, FPS and noise). I mean I don't need the cinematic quality of the 60D, but I want something decent for videos on trips and maybe some reviews on Youtube.
I mainly came here to ask you guys what your experiences are with the video mode on this camera, and that maybe it was just bad settings or someone having a seizure while filming on these youtube videos since this is really the make it or break it for me on this camera.
Actually the K-5 has by far the best video quality of any Pentax, as long as you don't shoot for too long (especially when it's warm). The compression is not noticeable, while all the other cameras, Canon and Nikon, K-3 etc. will show you compression artefacts you'll have to push really f***ing hard to see them on the K-5. At 2 star quality (3 is the maximum) I can pan around the ocean, with all the waves and everything, without seeing compression artefacts. Good luck trying that with the other cameras. Unless you go for Magic Lantern on Canon and push up the bitrate or even shoot RAW you'll be in trouble.
Rolling shutter? If you activate the SR there is basically none, unless you pan fast. Most Canon videos show bad rolling shutter, but the K-5 SR does a great job at reducing it. The K-3 SR however increases it badly, so don't take that camera as an example. Besides the K-5 stabilizes video very well, if you want it any better than that you'll be looking at the Olympus OM-D E-M1, or at steadicam rigs, MoVi, ...
In fact, the K-5 is my favourite camera for video (for what I do), unless you intend to go for a RAW workflow with Canon (good luck stacking up really fast, really big and expensive CF cards...), or look at the E-M1 or GH3/GH4.
You can look at my YouTube channel (kadajawi) if you want to see some samples from the K-5. I only shoot completely handheld, no glidecam, steadicam, or anything else like that.
Some examples:
(50mm DA 1.8)
(18-55 kit lens at 18mm)
(200mm Tokina lens, it's not exactly the sharpest)
(again the 200mm)
Blame compression artefacts on YouTube, the 1080p files that I uploaded to YouTube are flawless (and smaller than the 1080 video on YouTube).
The reason why cameras like the 60D do great videos is because they are being used by professional users, in planned shoots. Give them a K-5 and they'll do great stuff too, perhaps even greater if they work handheld.
@MadMathMind: The h264 compression other cameras use absolutely sucks (except for dedicated video cameras and maybe the latest and greatest from Sony and Panasonic). h264 is good. It's great actually. But it needs shitloads of processing power (for really good quality and compression my 4x4.5 GHz Intel i5 does less than 1 fps, and consumes around 3 GB of RAM). If you don't give it a lot of power, all the stuff that actually makes files small while retaining good quality get kicked out of the window. And at the bitrates those cameras use that means bad quality. MJPEG is a godsend, it would just be nice to have a h264 OPTION for when I'm running out of space. I recompress my files into 10 bit h264 on my computer, giving me bitrates between 2 (not much motion, no noise, and shallow DoF) and 15 Mbit (basically the ocean example, or walking through a forest, ...) (instead of 60 or 80). That's significantly lower than the 20-24 Mbit most DSLRs use, but the quality is flawless.
The K-5 can btw. produce a very cinematic looking picture. Sony DSLTs usually produce a rather video like look. You are limited in terms of control (you can only set the aperture and exposure compensation. Shutter speed and ISO is done by the camera), and in terms of frame rates (at 1080p it's only 25 fps, at 720 you can pick between 30 and 25. No 24 fps option).
@Na Horuk: Actually the K-5 allows for a guy running around to create great video, unlike Canon cameras. It's just that most of the talented people are not using Pentax.
@stevebrot: Who would buy a K-3 if he is interested in video? It sucks. There are better, cheaper options out there. Everything that's decent about the K-3 video is done better by other brands, and there is nothing the K-3 does that can surpass others (except for audio perhaps). The K-5 on the other hand was better in some areas, not so good in others, but it had compelling plus points that other brands could not offer.
More examples how capable the K-5 is:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/75-video-pentax-hdslrs/257897-pentax-comm...e-surfing.html https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/75-video-pentax-hdslrs/220315-music-cover-shot-using-k5.html (Must watch)
And maybe my favourite video shot with a K-5, a must watch:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/75-video-pentax-hdslrs/201728-love-metaphor.html
The guy has more videos that are great, not sure what he shot them on though (at least the newer ones, the older ones are K-5).
Btw., the E-M1: