K-5 IIs Discontinued

krebsy75 · 12-03-2014, 08:14 AM

If someone new to Pentax is reading this thread their heads will spin off trying to interpret the logic among all of these crazy model numbers.

stevebrot · 12-03-2014, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by HYS

I guess K-3 will follow it too.

Eventually, as will you and I

Steve

ChristianRock · 12-03-2014, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by JPT

I think this clears the way for a K-50 successor that incorporate more of the K-3 technology and then a K-3 successor with a few new features. Along with the K-S1, that would make quite a coherent APS-C line up.

Well I see the K-50/K-500 successor more of an entry level lens that can still appeal to enthusiasts. So a K-50 with the K-S1 sensor is what I would expect for that - WR, and more limited controls but still enough to be fun (2 wheels being the more important feature I think...).

What the K-5 IIs represents now is a very good enthusiast camera that has everything even some pros could ask for, but doesn't have the "latest and greatest" bells and whistles like the K-3 does, and doesn't offer the highest frames per second - and is more affordable than the top APS-C offering. I personally would like to see Ricoh continue having something in that range.

JRMax · 12-03-2014, 09:28 AM

In Canada the McBain Camera website is showing the K-5 IIs , body only as in stock. With the 18-135 WR it is shown as low quantities. The K-5 II with the 18-135 WR is listed as out of stock. So it does appear that supplies are slowing down.
I find it odd that they continue to show show the K-5 with 18-135 WR at a price of $1599.95 but out of stock. By comparison the K-3 with 18-135 WR is listed at $1199.95.

**hjoseph7** · 12-03-2014, 09:41 AM

I got mine who cares !

redrockcoulee · 12-03-2014, 09:42 AM

My K5iis just arrived at my door step , or actually stuck between our porch and a cedar bush, yesterday. And today it is obsolete, guess I will have to go back to using the 500 CM

I waited for the camera to warm up and then popped in a freshly charged battery (recently had bought my wife a second battery for her K5 only to find out that we had indeed bought her a second one already) and set up the menus and data the way I wanted it to be. Am looking forward to using it this weeked. Need to test out the flash that came with it.

At the prices for this month I just could not pass by buying one even though I was mostly satisfied with my K-r as I am primarlily a film shooter. I ended up ordering mine from Adorama as for some reason the sale prices of the K5iis varied so much between Canada and the US whereas after factoring in the exchange rate the K50 was cheaper at the Camerastore in Calgary or at McBains.

PS: I checked and after putting the K5iis in my camera bag instead of the K-r and leaving out one of the MZ cameras there is still room for my new 31Ltd that I am going to win with this posting

Yes if you are thinking of buying one, the price is so low just go for it!

**fs999** · 12-03-2014, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by kshapero

Why? what's the problem. you got a great camera.

Originally posted by jva59

You won't regret it. When the K 3 came out, I decided what I was looking for was an improved K -5, in other words the K5 IIs.

It was a joke ! I'm so happy with it !

aleonx3 · 12-03-2014, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by JRMax

In Canada the McBain Camera website is showing the K-5 IIs , body only as in stock. With the 18-135 WR it is shown as low quantities. The K-5 II with the 18-135 WR is listed as out of stock. So it does appear that supplies are slowing down.
I find it odd that they continue to show show the K-5 with 18-135 WR at a price of $1599.95 but out of stock. By comparison the K-3 with 18-135 WR is listed at $1199.95.

It sounds like the person who look after web-sales is not able to keep up with the list of products for sale vs products not in stock but customer can still order it. However, that does not make much sense for the older-model bundle priced higher than newer-model bundle.

**pacerr** · 12-03-2014, 04:50 PM

OK. On-line ordering is convenient, but . . . a telephone call to a real, live person - remember that form of communication? - can solve the uncertainty. Try it.

**rod_grant** · 12-03-2014, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by pacerr

remember that form of communication

...vaguely. I think you used to put 3 pennies in the slot at a phone booth... (what the septics call a pay phone!)

JPT · 12-03-2014, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Well I see the K-50/K-500 successor more of an entry level lens that can still appeal to enthusiasts. So a K-50 with the K-S1 sensor is what I would expect for that - WR, and more limited controls but still enough to be fun (2 wheels being the more important feature I think...).

What the K-5 IIs represents now is a very good enthusiast camera that has everything even some pros could ask for, but doesn't have the "latest and greatest" bells and whistles like the K-3 does, and doesn't offer the highest frames per second - and is more affordable than the top APS-C offering. I personally would like to see Ricoh continue having something in that range.

I agree that were talking about different lines here. Let me explain what I meant.

When the K-30 came out it had a lot of the K-5 technology, but simplified and housed in a cheaper plastic body. If we imagine a hypothetical K-60, which incorporated K-3 technology in a similar manner, it might have a spec like this.
- 20mp sensor with AA selector
- A simplified variant of the K-3 autofocus
- Improved metering sensor
- Large OVF, like the K-S1 and K3
- Plastic WR body
- Prime II processor
- Similar amount of direct controls to the K-50
- No grip option

Where would this leave the K-5II? It would be significantly outperformed by the K-60, but have more pro level controls. And the K-5 II would probably cost more to produce but certainly sell for less. I think it would be confusing to have the two bodies on the market at the same time. So that's why I think the K-5II discontinuation is an indication of a K-50 successor.

As for a bargain pro camera, that's what the K-3 will be eventually.

aleonx3 · 12-03-2014, 09:41 PM

With the recent price drop of k-3 during Black Friday sales to less than 650; there is a big gap between that price to the next level of 645z (with exception of k-s1 which is still in its introduction price range). I suspect that a higher advanced level APS-C (than k-3) or FF coming to fill the price gap in the coming year.

I am still wondering how I paid the least money for the k-3 among all 3 cameras I own (k-5, k-5IIs and k-3); all purchased after its first year of introduction.

ChristianRock · 12-04-2014, 10:00 AM

...and we're back.

Pentax K-5 IIs Digital SLR Camera 12050 B&H Photo Video

**fs999** · 12-04-2014, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

...and we're back.

...and discontinued !

ChristianRock · 12-04-2014, 11:49 AM

LOL maybe they're getting them in one by one?

12-03-2014, 09:41 PM	#27
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	With the recent price drop of k-3 during Black Friday sales to less than 650; there is a big gap between that price to the next level of 645z (with exception of k-s1 which is still in its introduction price range). I suspect that a higher advanced level APS-C (than k-3) or FF coming to fill the price gap in the coming year. I am still wondering how I paid the least money for the k-3 among all 3 cameras I own (k-5, k-5IIs and k-3); all purchased after its first year of introduction. Last edited by aleonx3; 12-03-2014 at 09:47 PM.

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12-03-2014, 08:14 AM	#16
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804	If someone new to Pentax is reading this thread their heads will spin off trying to interpret the logic among all of these crazy model numbers.

12-03-2014, 08:16 AM	#17
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by HYS I guess K-3 will follow it too. Eventually, as will you and I Steve

12-03-2014, 08:33 AM	#18
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by JPT I think this clears the way for a K-50 successor that incorporate more of the K-3 technology and then a K-3 successor with a few new features. Along with the K-S1, that would make quite a coherent APS-C line up. Well I see the K-50/K-500 successor more of an entry level lens that can still appeal to enthusiasts. So a K-50 with the K-S1 sensor is what I would expect for that - WR, and more limited controls but still enough to be fun (2 wheels being the more important feature I think...). What the K-5 IIs represents now is a very good enthusiast camera that has everything even some pros could ask for, but doesn't have the "latest and greatest" bells and whistles like the K-3 does, and doesn't offer the highest frames per second - and is more affordable than the top APS-C offering. I personally would like to see Ricoh continue having something in that range.

12-03-2014, 09:28 AM	#19
JRMax Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Central Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 56	In Canada the McBain Camera website is showing the K-5 IIs , body only as in stock. With the 18-135 WR it is shown as low quantities. The K-5 II with the 18-135 WR is listed as out of stock. So it does appear that supplies are slowing down. I find it odd that they continue to show show the K-5 with 18-135 WR at a price of $1599.95 but out of stock. By comparison the K-3 with 18-135 WR is listed at $1199.95.

12-03-2014, 09:41 AM	#20
hjoseph7 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2014 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,045	I got mine who cares !

12-03-2014, 09:42 AM	#21
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	My K5iis just arrived at my door step , or actually stuck between our porch and a cedar bush, yesterday. And today it is obsolete, guess I will have to go back to using the 500 CM I waited for the camera to warm up and then popped in a freshly charged battery (recently had bought my wife a second battery for her K5 only to find out that we had indeed bought her a second one already) and set up the menus and data the way I wanted it to be. Am looking forward to using it this weeked. Need to test out the flash that came with it. At the prices for this month I just could not pass by buying one even though I was mostly satisfied with my K-r as I am primarlily a film shooter. I ended up ordering mine from Adorama as for some reason the sale prices of the K5iis varied so much between Canada and the US whereas after factoring in the exchange rate the K50 was cheaper at the Camerastore in Calgary or at McBains. PS: I checked and after putting the K5iis in my camera bag instead of the K-r and leaving out one of the MZ cameras there is still room for my new 31Ltd that I am going to win with this posting Yes if you are thinking of buying one, the price is so low just go for it!

12-03-2014, 03:04 PM	#22
fs999 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Luxembourg Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,626	Originally posted by kshapero Why? what's the problem. you got a great camera. Originally posted by jva59 You won't regret it. When the K 3 came out, I decided what I was looking for was an improved K -5, in other words the K5 IIs. It was a joke ! I'm so happy with it !

12-03-2014, 03:32 PM	#23
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by JRMax In Canada the McBain Camera website is showing the K-5 IIs , body only as in stock. With the 18-135 WR it is shown as low quantities. The K-5 II with the 18-135 WR is listed as out of stock. So it does appear that supplies are slowing down. I find it odd that they continue to show show the K-5 with 18-135 WR at a price of $1599.95 but out of stock. By comparison the K-3 with 18-135 WR is listed at $1199.95. It sounds like the person who look after web-sales is not able to keep up with the list of products for sale vs products not in stock but customer can still order it. However, that does not make much sense for the older-model bundle priced higher than newer-model bundle.

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12-03-2014, 09:16 PM	#26
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by ChristianRock Well I see the K-50/K-500 successor more of an entry level lens that can still appeal to enthusiasts. So a K-50 with the K-S1 sensor is what I would expect for that - WR, and more limited controls but still enough to be fun (2 wheels being the more important feature I think...). What the K-5 IIs represents now is a very good enthusiast camera that has everything even some pros could ask for, but doesn't have the "latest and greatest" bells and whistles like the K-3 does, and doesn't offer the highest frames per second - and is more affordable than the top APS-C offering. I personally would like to see Ricoh continue having something in that range. I agree that were talking about different lines here. Let me explain what I meant. When the K-30 came out it had a lot of the K-5 technology, but simplified and housed in a cheaper plastic body. If we imagine a hypothetical K-60, which incorporated K-3 technology in a similar manner, it might have a spec like this. - 20mp sensor with AA selector - A simplified variant of the K-3 autofocus - Improved metering sensor - Large OVF, like the K-S1 and K3 - Plastic WR body - Prime II processor - Similar amount of direct controls to the K-50 - No grip option Where would this leave the K-5II? It would be significantly outperformed by the K-60, but have more pro level controls. And the K-5 II would probably cost more to produce but certainly sell for less. I think it would be confusing to have the two bodies on the market at the same time. So that's why I think the K-5II discontinuation is an indication of a K-50 successor. As for a bargain pro camera, that's what the K-3 will be eventually.

12-04-2014, 10:00 AM	#28
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	...and we're back. Pentax K-5 IIs Digital SLR Camera 12050 B&H Photo Video

12-04-2014, 11:48 AM	#29
fs999 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Luxembourg Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,626	Originally posted by ChristianRock ...and we're back. ...and discontinued !

12-04-2014, 11:49 AM	#30
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	LOL maybe they're getting them in one by one?