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12-12-2010, 08:54 PM   #1
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Novice Help

Hey guys. so i am a complete Novice at all of this. Up to this point i have only had a point and shoot camera, but i am interested to get a NICE camera. so if you can help this is what i need help with.

1: So i want to get into Time laps, so what lens/equipment do you think i should get for this.

2: This is a bit nerdy, but i am into Stop-Motion-Videos with Lego's/Mega Blocks, so what lens/equipment should i get for this (is this considered macro?)

O by the way do you think a K-r is a good camera for these projects?

-Thanks in advance
PS.(if you know how much dose the K-r weigh?)

12-12-2010, 09:35 PM   #2
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For your ps question, the specs posted here says 598 g with battery and sd card. Sorry I can't offer guidance for your main questions. Many k-r buyers report it is a fine, quick camera.

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Hi there and welcome.
K-r is an excellent camera for your applications and weighs just under 600g with batteries. The K-x (previous entry-level model) is also an excellent and very capable camera with video capabilities, only it doesn't have AF point confirmation if that matters to you.

Lenses are your next consideration. Starting out, you can't go past the kit lens DA 18-55 MkII. It should do most things for you, but if you want more zoom, then I'd also suggest a DA 55-300 as well. Time lapse photography will require you to set your camera to allow long exposures using the shutter button, controlling when the shutter opens and closes. You'll obviously need a sturdy tripod for this.

All the best in your decision.
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A K-x is not a great camera for doing time lapse. There is no built in time lapse feature, nor does it have the connectivity to add a third party option.

I briefly looked into time lapse and found most don't use DSLR's, but instead use either a Ricoh P&S which has excellent built in time lapse features, or a hacked Canon P&S which adds the features.

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K-r time lapse

hello first off thank you for you help, second of all i thought that the K-r had a self timer?

Once again i don't really know any thing so correct me if i am wrong please.
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All the cameras have self-timers (2sec and 12sec delays), but you'll need an IR remote shutter release for programming the K-x to open and close the shutter at your choosing (not sure about the K-r, but probably the same).
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Self-timer is one thing... but...

I read your requirement closely, and I think you are interested in "Interval shooting." You expressed this as Time laps(e).

The K-r has and intervalvometer specifically for doing time lapse photography. Please see page 51 of the manual here: http://www.pentax.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-r.pdf

I have been meaning to test this functionality and have just done so. I shot 12 frames spaced at three seconds. Worked a charm. There are a number of things that the K-r offers over the K-x beyond merely the focus points, and this is one of them.

I think this is that for which you are looking. The IR remote might be nice for other things, but I do not think it is particularly helpful here. In fact I tested it for use in starting the interval by setting the drive mode to 3 second/timer and it suspended that functionality and required a physical press of the shutter button. No big deal...

As for the lens, if you are new at this I have to say the kit lens is a good staring point. You'll have a certain amount of flexibility to determine what best works for you.

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QuoteOriginally posted by woof Quote
Self-timer is one thing... but...

I read your requirement closely, and I think you are interested in "Interval shooting." You expressed this as Time laps(e).

..... snip 8< .....
Just semi-educated guessing here but I think your interpretation might be off the mark.

Note: I don't delve into this type of "Stop Motion" (animation) photography myself, but a quick WikiLeaks cable read up indicated to this inexperienced mind that preset interval exposure might not suit - surely there would need to be undeterminable-time human intervention periods to ready each next scene just like how the claymation movies require.

Stop motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact the O.P might even be best advised to look into eg. Canon brand for equipment on this because Pentax neither makes a tetherable DSLR (would be very handy I expect), nor does it make Tilt-Shift lenses which are the thing for faux miniaturisation effects that is a popular trend these days in stop-mo style vid work.

Canon also has far superior Video DSLRs (7D/60D/550D) as well as great range of macro lenses, even full-auto tubes if that's required, plus the huge aftermarket of cheap accessories stuff that's usually required to kit yourself up with for specialist hobby interests like this.

I advise researching way beyond this forum too because it could end up a very expensive mistake buying into the "best" camera system on brand reputation alone, or a certain supported feature -- it's all about the whole intended purpose (and growth potential on that).


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QuoteOriginally posted by Hypocorism Quote
Just semi-educated guessing here but I think your interpretation might be off the mark.
I was clear that I was answering to OP's item number 1., Time lapse.

Quoting OP: "1: So i want to get into Time laps, so what lens/equipment do you think i should get for this."

You apparently were answering to item number 2. Stop motion.

They are different though at times related items. Let's let the OP decide if my contribution is relevant to what he wants to do. I prefer not to so much interpret but rather take such question intelligently on their face.

You like doing internet research, why not have a further read? Have a look here: Intervalometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. First paragraph.

Quoting: In photography, intervalometers are used to trigger exposures. This is often done for a time-lapse series. It may also be used to take, or begin taking, picture(s) after a set delay.

OP states in item 1 that he is interested in Time Lapse. K-r has an intervalometer function. Intervalometers are used for time lapse photography. What else is there to know? I thought what I posted was relevant. Just to make it clear that I have not completely made this up... have a "read" here: http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-make-time-lapse-video-with-dslr-and-intervalometer-269678/ I come to my knowledge on this subject from a variety of angles, but astro is the one that is perhaps the strongest... http://blog.tylerginter.com/?p=562. This was done using an intervalometer.


Come to think of it...

"Stop motion (also known as stop action) is an animation technique to make a physically manipulated object appear to move on its own. The object is moved in small increments between individually photographed frames, creating the illusion of movement when the series of frames is played as a continuous sequence. "

... it seems that time lapse could be used in some scenarios to assist in achieving this end. It is not integral to the requirement, but it might help automate it.

If I wanted to make a coin move, I'd set the intervalometer to a ten second interval, set the number of frames to thirty, move the coin, wait for the camera to shoot, move the coin, wait for the camera to shoot, move the coin.... etc.

It would actually help a great deal as I would not have to take the time to then shoot each frame. The camera would in effect be automated to do that for me and I could concentrate on the real game which would be moving the coin appropriately.

Where more complex things such as claymation were involved, I agree that use of an intervalometer would not be indicated. Here the IR remote would come in handy for triggering the shot once the complex set of changes was made.

But again, I think I was clear in my response that I was answering to time lapse, which though potentially a useful concept in stop motion, is not the same thing. So with your permission, I'll leave the interpretation of the usefulness of my post to the OP.

Whether or not you know it, all of your "semi-educated" and "inexperienced mind" business comes across as thinly veiled condescension. That's really not appreciated. You can get your viewpoint across without stooping to that can't you?

I've been shooting for about 38 years. Dad, who taught me, was a photo journalist in the 50's, and before that flew in a Photo Recon unit during WWII on aircraft (F-13s - B-29's converted to photo recon) that used intervalometers for mapping. I know a little about that which I posted.

So while you are about educating yourself and others in this manner, look up the word pedantic. It's usually considered bad form in certain contexts. This would be one of them.

Respectfully,

woof!

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