Who else are waiting for a firmware update for K-r to fix the FF problem

Hypocorism · 05-01-2011, 07:13 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by nandystam

Have you got a sample you could link to? I've seen some examples on the web, but nothing shot with a K-r.

Patience Grasshopper, seek and ye shall find.

There have been several real-world examples posted up to this forum (and elsewhere) over the past months, which simple searches will easily reveal for those wanting to know and, are willing to make the small effort to research.

The undeniable existence of this faulty behaviour in 100% of K-r's doesn't have to be regurgitated to be reproven and "rejustified" here every day.

Otoh, or to paraphrase what abcdave so poignantly suggested here https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-r-forum/137537-who-else-waiting-...ml#post1487313 : Those who choose to may just continue to traverse through The Ostrich School Of Life™...

.R. -- When all is said and done, there is more said than done.

Last edited by Hypocorism; 05-01-2011 at 07:26 PM.

nandystam · 05-01-2011, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Hypocorism

Patience Grasshopper, seek and ye shall find.

There have been several real-world examples posted up to this forum (and elsewhere) over the past months, which simple searches will easily reveal for those wanting to know and, are willing to make the small effort to research.

The undeniable existence of this faulty behaviour in 100% of K-r's doesn't have to be regurgitated to be reproven and "rejustified" here every day.

Otoh, or to paraphrase what abcdave so poignantly suggested here https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-r-forum/137537-who-else-waiting-...ml#post1487313 : Those who choose to may just continue to traverse through The Ostrich School Of Life™...

.R. -- When all is said and done, there is more said than done.

I was a bit trigger happy wasn't I

But yes I did find some in the interim..

Hypocorism · 05-01-2011, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by nandystam

I was a bit trigger happy wasn't I

But yes I did find some in the interim..

ROFL!

Glad you found some (and have a sense of humour).

We really should put a productive angle on these discussions now - they say the best thing to do with a lemon is to turn it into lemonade, so I've been thinking up ideas to do my K-r.

Anyone suggest more?

1. Doorstop/Paperweight.
2. Use for motorcycle-cam in Dakar Rally.
3. Gift it to a worst enemy/mother-in-law/...
4. Paint CaNikSony logo on the body for use in public without embarrassment.
5. Keep in attic 75 years waiting for an upcoming rare vintage cameras sale.
6. Make a mint out of running Out-Of-Focus photo competitions for K-r owners.

.R. -- Zen adage: Anything one cannot bear to give up is not owned, but is in fact the owner.

GrinMode · 05-01-2011, 10:38 PM

If the assist beams helps minimizing this issue, then a firmware fix can let this light up earlier or manually (have a setting always turn on).

Of course it does not help much if the target is too far away, but still better than nothing.

Another option is we all send our units to Japan anyway......

Verglace · 05-01-2011, 10:53 PM

Hi guys, havent been on this thread long but have some news.

I've got a friend who also has a KR (hes the **** that recommended me to get it) anyway, he said that he changed the focusing screen to another one, when he changed it he had to remove the shim (the U copper bit at the top he said) in order to fit the other focusing screen. He wanted to try the stock focusing screen again and he place it back on but forgot to add the shim, after that he says his KR doesn't FF anymore.

Don't wanna try it on my camera as I don't want to break the warranty, but if some of you are crazy enough to try I thought you may like to know.

Please note I've never tried this and I actually haven't used his camera so I don't know if it is true or not. I do not have first hand knowledge and just passing on some unproven information.

gp1806 · 05-02-2011, 04:49 AM

Pentax's stand that changing a focus screen breaks the warranty is completely stupid. Why build in a user changeable screen feature and then tell users that they can't change the screen. Why does Pentax sell different screens if they should not be changed? Changing the screen on a Pentax is no more difficult than on my old Olympus OM camera. That is to say they are both delicate operations, but Olympus touted this feature at the time.
Your friend may be saying that his camera does not FF if manually focused, I don't know. The shim is used to correct manual focus. The focus sensors are not in the screen. The screen does not affect the auto focus sensors. The camera should still auto focus without a screen at all, but I haven't tried this.

LIJ · 05-02-2011, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Pentax's stand that changing a focus screen breaks the warranty is completely stupid.

I'm pretty sure that Pentax says that your warranty is void if you change the focus screen BY YOURSELF. They're saying that if you get your dirty fingers inside the camera they built and mess someting up, they're not gonna fix it for you for free. But you can have an authorized repair person do it for you as long as your using their screen. Perfectly understandable in my opinion.

SteveUK · 05-02-2011, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by abcdave

If you have the problem, believe me, you will know it. ...

I don't think this is quite true, I'm completely new to SLRs, as many with a K-r will be, so I was putting down appalling shots just to poor light. In my case I thought the ability to capture excellent images on my Pentax-M 50mm 1.7 was down to the wider apperture when actually most of the difference was that I was manually focussing on that lens and the kit zoom lens was just out of focus due to the camera fault.

crf529 · 05-02-2011, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by SteveUK

I don't think this is quite true, I'm completely new to SLRs, as many with a K-r will be, so I was putting down appalling shots just to poor light. In my case I thought the ability to capture excellent images on my Pentax-M 50mm 1.7 was down to the wider apperture when actually most of the difference was that I was manually focussing on that lens and the kit zoom lens was just out of focus due to the camera fault.

Your shooting with an M50 1.7 indoors above say f/4-5.6 and getting better results? Or your shooting around f/2 and getting better results?

ramones1985 · 05-02-2011, 11:24 PM

the debug mode for the pentax k-r like pentax k-x?

exist?

EricT · 05-03-2011, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by ramones1985

the debug mode for the pentax k-r like pentax k-x?

exist?

You don't need the debug mode, since the K-r has built-in micro-adjustment, option C21: AF fine adjustment. Only one setting supported, though, so you need to remember different settings for all your lenses, just as with the debug menu. I glue a note on the inside of the lens cap, this also reminds me to actually change the value, a lesson learned the hard way

ramones1985 · 05-03-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by EricT

You don't need the debug mode, since the K-r has built-in micro-adjustment, option C21: AF fine adjustment. Only one setting supported, though, so you need to remember different settings for all your lenses, just as with the debug menu. I glue a note on the inside of the lens cap, this also reminds me to actually change the value, a lesson learned the hard way

But is only -10 and +10 ....

with debug mode, in kx, there are -50 +50 .....

Metalwizards · 05-03-2011, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by ramones1985

But is only -10 and +10 ....

with debug mode, in kx, there are -50 +50 .....

Can you set it only to specific WB? And is it possible for the k-r?

Andresin · 05-14-2011, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Metalwizards

Can you set it only to specific WB? And is it possible for the k-r?

No, I don't think you can set it to a specific WB, at least I don't know how to.

Nobbys Nuts · 05-14-2011, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Hypocorism

Patience Grasshopper, seek and ye shall find.

The undeniable existence of this faulty behaviour in 100% of K-r's doesn't have to be regurgitated to be reproven and "rejustified" here every day.

.

99.9% maybe. Mine does NOT have the FF problem. I tested it using the methods recommended here and could not find fault but did not believe it because ALL KRs are faulty, therefore I must be wrong, so I took it in to Kennedys agents in Brisbane and got them to test it.
Obviously they were biased as when I picked it up it had a 100% clean bill of health so I lent it to a friend who is a Wedding Photographer using Canon gear.

He got his assistant to use it for a little bit and he said the shots taken were clearer than what they were getting from his (the assistants) usual 40D when they reviewed them later. He said it had no problems handling low light under any lighting conditions.

So I guess I am stuck with a lemon that actually works - what worries me is IF mine is ok now, what happens if they bring out a software update to fix all those that DO have problems - Will it screw mine up completely. I don't think I will risk it.
I sympathize with those that do have problems and hope that they do bring out a solution but I will NOT be downloading it.

05-01-2011, 08:42 PM	#213
Hypocorism Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Melbourne .au Posts: 623	Originally posted by nandystam I was a bit trigger happy wasn't I But yes I did find some in the interim.. ROFL! Glad you found some (and have a sense of humour). We really should put a productive angle on these discussions now - they say the best thing to do with a lemon is to turn it into lemonade, so I've been thinking up ideas to do my K-r. Anyone suggest more? 1. Doorstop/Paperweight. 2. Use for motorcycle-cam in Dakar Rally. 3. Gift it to a worst enemy/mother-in-law/... 4. Paint CaNikSony logo on the body for use in public without embarrassment. 5. Keep in attic 75 years waiting for an upcoming rare vintage cameras sale. 6. Make a mint out of running Out-Of-Focus photo competitions for K-r owners. .R. -- Zen adage: Anything one cannot bear to give up is not owned, but is in fact the owner. Last edited by Hypocorism; 05-02-2011 at 01:56 AM.

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05-01-2011, 07:13 PM - 1 Like	#211
Hypocorism Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Melbourne .au Posts: 623	Originally posted by nandystam Have you got a sample you could link to? I've seen some examples on the web, but nothing shot with a K-r. Patience Grasshopper, seek and ye shall find. There have been several *real-world* examples posted up to this forum (and elsewhere) over the past months, which simple searches will easily reveal for those wanting to know and, are willing to make the small effort to research. The undeniable existence of this faulty behaviour in 100% of K-r's doesn't have to be regurgitated to be reproven and "rejustified" here every day. Otoh, or to paraphrase what abcdave so poignantly suggested here https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-r-forum/137537-who-else-waiting-...ml#post1487313 : Those who choose to may just continue to traverse through The Ostrich School Of Life™... .R. -- When all is said and done, there is more said than done. Last edited by Hypocorism; 05-01-2011 at 07:26 PM.

05-01-2011, 07:53 PM	#212
nandystam Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Posts: 135	Originally posted by Hypocorism Patience Grasshopper, seek and ye shall find. There have been several *real-world* examples posted up to this forum (and elsewhere) over the past months, which simple searches will easily reveal for those wanting to know and, are willing to make the small effort to research. The undeniable existence of this faulty behaviour in 100% of K-r's doesn't have to be regurgitated to be reproven and "rejustified" here every day. Otoh, or to paraphrase what abcdave so poignantly suggested here https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-r-forum/137537-who-else-waiting-...ml#post1487313 : Those who choose to may just continue to traverse through The Ostrich School Of Life™... .R. -- When all is said and done, there is more said than done. I was a bit trigger happy wasn't I But yes I did find some in the interim..

05-01-2011, 10:38 PM	#214
GrinMode Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 249	If the assist beams helps minimizing this issue, then a firmware fix can let this light up earlier or manually (have a setting always turn on). Of course it does not help much if the target is too far away, but still better than nothing. Another option is we all send our units to Japan anyway......

05-01-2011, 10:53 PM	#215
Verglace Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 468	Hi guys, havent been on this thread long but have some news. I've got a friend who also has a KR (hes the **** that recommended me to get it) anyway, he said that he changed the focusing screen to another one, when he changed it he had to remove the shim (the U copper bit at the top he said) in order to fit the other focusing screen. He wanted to try the stock focusing screen again and he place it back on but forgot to add the shim, after that he says his KR doesn't FF anymore. Don't wanna try it on my camera as I don't want to break the warranty, but if some of you are crazy enough to try I thought you may like to know. Please note I've never tried this and I actually haven't used his camera so I don't know if it is true or not. I do not have first hand knowledge and just passing on some unproven information.

05-02-2011, 04:49 AM	#216
gp1806 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago suburbs Photos: Albums Posts: 848	Pentax's stand that changing a focus screen breaks the warranty is completely stupid. Why build in a user changeable screen feature and then tell users that they can't change the screen. Why does Pentax sell different screens if they should not be changed? Changing the screen on a Pentax is no more difficult than on my old Olympus OM camera. That is to say they are both delicate operations, but Olympus touted this feature at the time. Your friend may be saying that his camera does not FF if manually focused, I don't know. The shim is used to correct manual focus. The focus sensors are not in the screen. The screen does not affect the auto focus sensors. The camera should still auto focus without a screen at all, but I haven't tried this.

05-02-2011, 05:48 AM	#217
LIJ Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 56	Quote: Pentax's stand that changing a focus screen breaks the warranty is completely stupid. I'm pretty sure that Pentax says that your warranty is void if you change the focus screen BY YOURSELF. They're saying that if you get your dirty fingers inside the camera they built and mess someting up, they're not gonna fix it for you for free. But you can have an authorized repair person do it for you as long as your using their screen. Perfectly understandable in my opinion.

05-02-2011, 12:35 PM	#218
SteveUK Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Southern UK Posts: 93	Originally posted by abcdave If you have the problem, believe me, you will know it. ... I don't think this is quite true, I'm completely new to SLRs, as many with a K-r will be, so I was putting down appalling shots just to poor light. In my case I thought the ability to capture excellent images on my Pentax-M 50mm 1.7 was down to the wider apperture when actually most of the difference was that I was manually focussing on that lens and the kit zoom lens was just out of focus due to the camera fault.

05-02-2011, 03:54 PM	#219
crf529 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 124	Originally posted by SteveUK I don't think this is quite true, I'm completely new to SLRs, as many with a K-r will be, so I was putting down appalling shots just to poor light. In my case I thought the ability to capture excellent images on my Pentax-M 50mm 1.7 was down to the wider apperture when actually most of the difference was that I was manually focussing on that lens and the kit zoom lens was just out of focus due to the camera fault. Your shooting with an M50 1.7 indoors above say f/4-5.6 and getting better results? Or your shooting around f/2 and getting better results?

05-02-2011, 11:24 PM	#220
ramones1985 New Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 15	the debug mode for the pentax k-r like pentax k-x? exist?

05-03-2011, 01:17 PM	#221
EricT Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 484	Originally posted by ramones1985 the debug mode for the pentax k-r like pentax k-x? exist? You don't need the debug mode, since the K-r has built-in micro-adjustment, option C21: AF fine adjustment. Only one setting supported, though, so you need to remember different settings for all your lenses, just as with the debug menu. I glue a note on the inside of the lens cap, this also reminds me to actually change the value, a lesson learned the hard way

05-03-2011, 11:24 PM	#222
ramones1985 New Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 15	Originally posted by EricT You don't need the debug mode, since the K-r has built-in micro-adjustment, option C21: AF fine adjustment. Only one setting supported, though, so you need to remember different settings for all your lenses, just as with the debug menu. I glue a note on the inside of the lens cap, this also reminds me to actually change the value, a lesson learned the hard way But is only -10 and +10 .... with debug mode, in kx, there are -50 +50 .....

05-03-2011, 11:46 PM	#223
Metalwizards Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Santa Cruz Photos: Albums Posts: 124	Originally posted by ramones1985 But is only -10 and +10 .... with debug mode, in kx, there are -50 +50 ..... Can you set it only to specific WB? And is it possible for the k-r?

05-14-2011, 12:10 AM	#224
Andresin New Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 20	Originally posted by Metalwizards Can you set it only to specific WB? And is it possible for the k-r? No, I don't think you can set it to a specific WB, at least I don't know how to.

05-14-2011, 02:19 AM	#225
Nobbys Nuts Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Gold Coast, Qld Photos: Gallery Posts: 95	Originally posted by Hypocorism Patience Grasshopper, seek and ye shall find. The undeniable existence of this faulty behaviour in 100% of K-r's doesn't have to be regurgitated to be reproven and "rejustified" here every day. . 99.9% maybe. Mine does NOT have the FF problem. I tested it using the methods recommended here and could not find fault but did not believe it because ALL KRs are faulty, therefore I must be wrong, so I took it in to Kennedys agents in Brisbane and got them to test it. Obviously they were biased as when I picked it up it had a 100% clean bill of health so I lent it to a friend who is a Wedding Photographer using Canon gear. He got his assistant to use it for a little bit and he said the shots taken were clearer than what they were getting from his (the assistants) usual 40D when they reviewed them later. He said it had no problems handling low light under any lighting conditions. So I guess I am stuck with a lemon that actually works - what worries me is IF mine is ok now, what happens if they bring out a software update to fix all those that DO have problems - Will it screw mine up completely. I don't think I will risk it. I sympathize with those that do have problems and hope that they do bring out a solution but I will NOT be downloading it.