Image finishing tone

sany · 04-24-2011, 02:38 AM

Newbie question: There are nine image finishing tone that Bright (default setting), Natural, Portrait, Landscape, Vibrant, Muted, Bleach, Bypass, Reversal Film and Monochrome. What are these? For me this sounds like another preset effect like SCN modes. Why can’t we disable this and how important are these? Why can’t there be an option that does enable us to get a capture as raw as possible?

ovim · 04-24-2011, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by sany

Why can’t there be an option that does enable us to get a capture as raw as possible?

Shoot RAW?

glee46 · 04-24-2011, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by sany

Why can’t there be an option that does enable us to get a capture as raw as possible?

Hey, and welcome.

What's the model of your camera?

I'm pretty sure, every DSLR has a setting, which allows you to RAW.

I'm taking it for granted you know that, "RAW" is a format. Like jpeg, bmp, png & so on.

Let us know and we can give you a little more info on how to adjust the setting.

Just a tip as most people forget when they get their new toy. Look in the index of your manual. I know, it's saved me a lot of headaches.

Take care

sany · 04-24-2011, 08:18 AM

Thanks for you replies. My toy is K-r, I know about RAW format but don't know how to finally process. Any tips would be appreciated. Having said that, my actual question was why is there a tonal preset or to better put it why have are they not part of SCN modes?
Secondly, to make this point elaborate - what happens if there are no tonal presets?Is this how it is even with high end pro dslrs? even from film days? Is this how it is in other brands?

glee46 · 04-24-2011, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by sany

Thanks for you replies. My toy is K-r, I know about RAW format but don't know how to finally process. Any tips would be appreciated. Having said that, my actual question was why is there a tonal preset or to better put it why have are they not part of SCN modes?
Secondly, to make this point elaborate - what happens if there are no tonal presets?Is this how it is even with high end pro dslrs? even from film days? Is this how it is in other brands?

I can only answer the 1st part of your question. I use the software that came with my K5 from Pentax to process my RAW. I think it has some pretty good features. Then, I use the free, Googles - Picasa 3, for some editing as well.
I also have Serif PhotoPlusX4, (@ $50 US) but only use that if I doing HDR. There is also GIMP, which is free as well.

ovim · 04-24-2011, 12:07 PM

I don't shoot jpeg much but I always thought "Natural" is the the most true to life setting.

glee46 · 04-24-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by ovim

I don't shoot jpeg much but I always thought "Natural" is the the most true to life setting.

Depends on what you're shooting. I'm finding on sunny days, I set my WB to cloudy. Looks more "Natural" to me when I process it.

**boriscleto** · 04-24-2011, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by glee46

Depends on what you're shooting. I'm finding on sunny days, I set my WB to cloudy. Looks more "Natural" to me when I process it.

The OP isn't talking about WB, they are talking about Custom Image (Bright, Natural, Portrait, Vivid, Muted or Monochrome). These only affect JPEG images. More info on Page 194 of the manual.

hcarvalhoalves · 04-24-2011, 07:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sany

Thanks for you replies. My toy is K-r, I know about RAW format but don't know how to finally process. Any tips would be appreciated. Having said that, my actual question was why is there a tonal preset or to better put it why have are they not part of SCN modes?
Secondly, to make this point elaborate - what happens if there are no tonal presets?Is this how it is even with high end pro dslrs? even from film days? Is this how it is in other brands?

By the way, those presets and the SCN modes are two completely different things.

The presets only affect the transformations made to the final JPEG file (shift colors and contrast), after the shot was already taken, so it's just post-processing. The SCN modes change the actual camera settings (aperture, shutter speed, ISO), so affect how the shot will look right from the start.

Take a look at your manual and read some material here on Pentax Forums for further understanding on how to use a DSLR, it'll help clarifying all the options.

04-24-2011, 02:38 AM	#1
sany Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dubai, UAE Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 448	Image finishing tone Newbie question: There are nine image finishing tone that Bright (default setting), Natural, Portrait, Landscape, Vibrant, Muted, Bleach, Bypass, Reversal Film and Monochrome. What are these? For me this sounds like another preset effect like SCN modes. Why can’t we disable this and how important are these? Why can’t there be an option that does enable us to get a capture as raw as possible?

04-24-2011, 09:35 AM	#5
glee46 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North of San Francisco, California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 598	Originally posted by sany Thanks for you replies. My toy is K-r, I know about RAW format but don't know how to finally process. Any tips would be appreciated. Having said that, my actual question was why is there a tonal preset or to better put it why have are they not part of SCN modes? Secondly, to make this point elaborate - what happens if there are no tonal presets?Is this how it is even with high end pro dslrs? even from film days? Is this how it is in other brands? I can only answer the 1st part of your question. I use the software that came with my K5 from Pentax to process my RAW. I think it has some pretty good features. Then, I use the free, Googles - Picasa 3, for some editing as well. I also have Serif PhotoPlusX4, (@ $50 US) but only use that if I doing HDR. There is also GIMP, which is free as well. Last edited by glee46; 04-24-2011 at 09:37 AM. Reason: Edited my answer.

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04-24-2011, 03:19 AM	#2
ovim Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tre, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,229	Originally posted by sany Why can’t there be an option that does enable us to get a capture as raw as possible? Shoot RAW?

04-24-2011, 06:54 AM	#3
glee46 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North of San Francisco, California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 598	Originally posted by sany Why can’t there be an option that does enable us to get a capture as raw as possible? Hey, and welcome. What's the model of your camera? I'm pretty sure, every DSLR has a setting, which allows you to RAW. I'm taking it for granted you know that, "RAW" is a format. Like jpeg, bmp, png & so on. Let us know and we can give you a little more info on how to adjust the setting. Just a tip as most people forget when they get their new toy. Look in the index of your manual. I know, it's saved me a lot of headaches. Take care

04-24-2011, 08:18 AM	#4
sany Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Dubai, UAE Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 448 Original Poster	Thanks for you replies. My toy is K-r, I know about RAW format but don't know how to finally process. Any tips would be appreciated. Having said that, my actual question was why is there a tonal preset or to better put it why have are they not part of SCN modes? Secondly, to make this point elaborate - what happens if there are no tonal presets?Is this how it is even with high end pro dslrs? even from film days? Is this how it is in other brands?

04-24-2011, 12:07 PM	#6
ovim Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tre, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,229	I don't shoot jpeg much but I always thought "Natural" is the the most true to life setting.

04-24-2011, 12:59 PM	#7
glee46 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North of San Francisco, California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 598	Originally posted by ovim I don't shoot jpeg much but I always thought "Natural" is the the most true to life setting. Depends on what you're shooting. I'm finding on sunny days, I set my WB to cloudy. Looks more "Natural" to me when I process it.

04-24-2011, 01:51 PM	#8
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	Originally posted by glee46 Depends on what you're shooting. I'm finding on sunny days, I set my WB to cloudy. Looks more "Natural" to me when I process it. The OP isn't talking about WB, they are talking about Custom Image (Bright, Natural, Portrait, Vivid, Muted or Monochrome). These only affect JPEG images. More info on Page 194 of the manual.

04-24-2011, 07:25 PM - 1 Like	#9
hcarvalhoalves Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,019	Originally posted by sany Thanks for you replies. My toy is K-r, I know about RAW format but don't know how to finally process. Any tips would be appreciated. Having said that, my actual question was why is there a tonal preset or to better put it why have are they not part of SCN modes? Secondly, to make this point elaborate - what happens if there are no tonal presets?Is this how it is even with high end pro dslrs? even from film days? Is this how it is in other brands? By the way, those presets and the SCN modes are two completely different things. The presets only affect the transformations made to the final JPEG file (shift colors and contrast), after the shot was already taken, so it's just post-processing. The SCN modes change the actual camera settings (aperture, shutter speed, ISO), so affect how the shot will look right from the start. Take a look at your manual and read some material here on Pentax Forums for further understanding on how to use a DSLR, it'll help clarifying all the options.