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08-25-2011, 07:08 PM   #1
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Cropping Concern for bigger than 4x6

Hey guys .. i work in a photo lab and i tried to get prints of some of my work and i wanted to do an 8x10 but the cropping on it was going to be horrible. yes i know portions of the picture get cut off when enlarging anything. however, how would i be able to adjust the photo either on photoshop or maybe a setting on the camera where it would be okay to do an 8x10 or so. i hope you guys understand what i am asking haha. it is kind of vague.

please let me know and thanks in advance!!

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You dSLR shoots with a 3:2 (1.5x) aspect ratio. An 8x10 print is 5:4 (1.25x) aspect. That's one reason old Pentax 6x7 MF film cameras were a pro standard, because the negative and print aspect ratios are closer. To fit a 3:2 input to a 5:4 output, you need to edit: either crop-off the end, or resize the picture and distort the image, or some combination thereof; or just print with different-sized margins. Good luck!
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You want to print an 8x10 without cropping anything off of the existing photo, which is in a 2:3 aspect ratio? The easy answer is to letterbox the image (add black or other coloured bars above and below the photo, like you see when a wide screen movie is broadcast on TV without cropping it). Another option is to use a photo editing program to add to the image by copying existing elements or making new ones, but that can be time consuming and it often isn't practical.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
You dSLR shoots with a 3:2 (1.5x) aspect ratio. An 8x10 print is 5:4 (1.25x) aspect. That's one reason old Pentax 6x7 MF film cameras were a pro standard, because the negative and print aspect ratios are closer. To fit a 3:2 input to a 5:4 output, you need to edit: either crop-off the end, or resize the picture and distort the image, or some combination thereof; or just print with different-sized margins. Good luck!
At first I did see what the cropped photo would look like and it actually eliminated parts of the subject. Do you think resizing the picture to 5:4 would distort it that much that I would lose quality severely?

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You want to print an 8x10 without cropping anything off of the existing photo, which is in a 2:3 aspect ratio? The easy answer is to letterbox the image (add black or other coloured bars above and below the photo, like you see when a wide screen movie is broadcast on TV without cropping it). Another option is to use a photo editing program to add to the image by copying existing elements or making new ones, but that can be time consuming and it often isn't practical.
I didn't even think about adding "borders". Great idea! Thanks for that. We'll see how this works out haha.

Thanks guys!

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Have you considered an 8x12, or possibly sliding 4 4x6s together? Two 8x10s will get you a 16x10, a 1.6 aspect ratio overlap, border or whatever to get your 1.5. I've seen a lot of nice multi-panel prints, though it doesn't work for a lot of subjects.
There's also the leave something around the edges and compose the image after by cropping it approach. I tend not to do that.
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Well the size after 8x10 is 11x14.. I will see what I can do. Any tips on doing a nice multi-panel print?
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At first I did see what the cropped photo would look like and it actually eliminated parts of the subject. Do you think resizing the picture to 5:4 would distort it that much that I would lose quality severely?
Some subjects SHOULD be cropped, especially me, heh heh. But re-formatting doesn't reduce IQ, so much as it distorts proportions slightly. In many cases, it doesn't matter. With some people, it does. How skinny do you want them?

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There's also the leave something around the edges and compose the image after by cropping it approach.
And this is pragmatic. I've shot in more than a few formats, and printed in others; and cropping (composing in PP) is often my best friend. If you create a 'perfect' composition in-camera, you're stuck with it. I rarely go out of my way to shoot so tightly, unless I have a specific aspect firmly in mind.

I often shoot thinking of (or allowing for) multiple compositions within one image frame. Shoot in 3:2; crop/print different portions of the frame in 1:1 or 4:3 or 5:4 or 2:1 or whatever. Similarly with panos and other stitch-ups, I use multiple frames to build one or more compositions. I shape what comes out of the camera till I like it; that may include using borders or other effects. But it's good to leave space around a subject to allow for such editing.

There's a tagline around here that's something like: Painting is an additive art; keep throwing paint on till you have a picture. Photography is a subtractive art; remove elements until only the necessities remain. Slice away everything that doesn't contribute to the picture. (That's a rule for writers also.)

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Next time I will just continue to leave space around the actual subject. Some pictures I wanted bigger than 4x6 are basically entirely the subject, but I know for next time. Thanks guys!!!

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