Cityscape Good news--bad news-my panorama photo

Good news--bad news-my panorama photo · 10:32 AM

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The good news is Staples printed out for me a 10" x 57" picture of the above shot and it came out razor sharp and I was very pleased with it.

The bad news is
several drops of water got on the print and it dissolved the ink and now there are white spots on the print.I got really bummed out and tested an old 8x10 glossy photo that I had printed out and put a couple of drops in the corner and nothing happened.So what happened? Staples uses an HP printer for Panos and maybe the ink is not colorfast.I'm going there tonight after work to get some answers.Does anyone have an answer for me before I do battle.The print was only $30 and I really liked it but if it's not moisture tolerant I will have 2nd thoughts about having another one done in the future.

---charliezap

eddie1960 · 08-16-2011, 10:54 AM

Sorry to hear that Charlie, I know you were excited about this
likely the paper type combined with the ink type affected color fastness (there is a spray you could use that would protect it if you print again) $30 is damn cheap for this size though. anything printed on a high end printer and archival photo paper would have cost a bomb. a standard giclee 24x36 on hannamuhle fine art paper ranges from 75-130 depending on the paper locally. a 40x50 canvas wrap is $350 - these are pro shop prices. and i would expect panorama to cost even more as it's specialized setup for them.

there is an online company doing higher quality pano prints that looks pretty reasonable

Panorama Source Print Service - Panorama printing services and exclusive source of panoramic images

56" wide from $67-105

builttospill · 08-16-2011, 11:27 AM

Also sorry to hear this. The answer to your question is most consumer-level printing is done with inkjets, which smears/runs when wet. If you have a photo printer at home you'd get the same results if your homemade prints get moisture on them.

The pro lab printing my photos uses real photo paper, chemicals and light to expose my digital photographs. I don't know the full details, but I know they use light sensitive paper run through a chemical process. Basically this means the photo is developed just like film. This makes prints much more tolerant to moisture and sun damage (fading), etc.

I hope that answers your question...

charliezap · 08-16-2011, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by builttospill

Also sorry to hear this. The answer to your question is most consumer-level printing is done with inkjets, which smears/runs when wet. If you have a photo printer at home you'd get the same results if your homemade prints get moisture on them.

The pro lab printing my photos uses real photo paper, chemicals and light to expose my digital photographs. I don't know the full details, but I know they use light sensitive paper run through a chemical process. Basically this means the photo is developed just like film. This makes prints much more tolerant to moisture and sun damage (fading), etc.

I hope that answers your question...

I have an inkjet printer at home-- Canon-- and my glossy photos don't do what the staples print did if I get them spotted.I wipe them and the ink stays there. Not so on the staples print.--charliezap

**Bob Harris** · 08-16-2011, 11:38 AM

Charlie, I wonder if there is a sealer that can be applied. Hope this fun project doesn't get too expensive, let us know what happens or what is suggested. Bob

eddie1960 · 08-16-2011, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Bob Harris

Charlie, I wonder if there is a sealer that can be applied. Hope this fun project doesn't get too expensive, let us know what happens or what is suggested. Bob

not cheap but i've used this on archival stuff

Hahnemuhle Protective Spray 14oz 2 Pack Set HFA-2 Sprays HM0000214 - Vistek Canada Product Detail

if you have a good paint sprayer premier imaging products makes a bulk product that is harder to apply but way cheaper in the long run

sample kit

http://www.vistek.ca/store/PortfoliosAlbums/221752/premier-imaging-products-...queous-co.aspx

rhodopsin · 08-16-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by charliezap

I have an inkjet printer at home-- Canon-- and my glossy photos don't do what the staples print did if I get them spotted.I wipe them and the ink stays there. Not so on the staples print.--charliezap

Same here with Epson 1400, IF the print is allowed to dry for 24 hours in low humidity. Not waterproof though, similar to photo print, if water is allowed to stand, there will be a visible 'spot'.

eddie1960 · 08-16-2011, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by charliezap

I have an inkjet printer at home-- Canon-- and my glossy photos don't do what the staples print did if I get them spotted.I wipe them and the ink stays there. Not so on the staples print.--charliezap

it depends on which canon (some do smear) and what the paper stock is

I have no issues with my 9000 but i usually print on archival fine art papers designed for the ink type (i still use the spray as it prevents fading effectively as well)

builttospill · 08-16-2011, 12:17 PM

And the spray will need to be applied carefully, especially if it's applied to another Staples print. The moisture from the spray might do some damage before it dries. If you plan on doing this again I'd buy the spray and test on your print that's already been spotted.

eddie1960 · 08-16-2011, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by builttospill

And the spray will need to be applied carefully, especially if it's applied to another Staples print. The moisture from the spray might do some damage before it dries. If you plan on doing this again I'd buy the spray and test on your print that's already been spotted.

good idea
I'd also let any further prints set for 24-48 hours before applying the spray

charliezap · 08-16-2011, 01:01 PM

I went to Staples and they are going to reprint it and then laminate the picture.This saga is ongoing.--Stay tuned kids.

--charliezap

daacon · 08-16-2011, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by charliezap

I went to Staples and they are going to reprint it and then laminate the picture.This saga is ongoing.--Stay tuned kids.

--charliezap

Squeaky wheel wins again well done Capt'n

charliezap · 08-17-2011, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by daacon

Squeaky wheel wins again well done Capt'n

They were very nice about it Dave and today after work it will be ready.--capn zap

daacon · 08-17-2011, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by charliezap

They were very nice about it Dave and today after work it will be ready.--capn zap

Serioulsy that is just good customer service - this alone will bring you back, word of mouth, etc. I try and pick my shops for the these very same reasons - Costco is very good , Sears and where I take my vehicles (in fact they have more than once ocassion just charged me just for parts ......) - these stores know it will bring me back and in the long run they come out way ahead.

Good luck curious what the lamination process will look like.

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08-16-2011, 01:01 PM	#11
charliezap Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: saugus ma Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,686 Original Poster	I went to Staples and they are going to reprint it and then laminate the picture.This saga is ongoing.--Stay tuned kids.--charliezap

08-16-2011, 03:08 PM	#12
daacon Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta,Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 20,914	Originally posted by charliezap I went to Staples and they are going to reprint it and then laminate the picture.This saga is ongoing.--Stay tuned kids.--charliezap Squeaky wheel wins again well done Capt'n

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08-16-2011, 10:54 AM	#2
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Sorry to hear that Charlie, I know you were excited about this likely the paper type combined with the ink type affected color fastness (there is a spray you could use that would protect it if you print again) $30 is damn cheap for this size though. anything printed on a high end printer and archival photo paper would have cost a bomb. a standard giclee 24x36 on hannamuhle fine art paper ranges from 75-130 depending on the paper locally. a 40x50 canvas wrap is $350 - these are pro shop prices. and i would expect panorama to cost even more as it's specialized setup for them. there is an online company doing higher quality pano prints that looks pretty reasonable Panorama Source Print Service - Panorama printing services and exclusive source of panoramic images 56" wide from $67-105

08-16-2011, 11:27 AM	#3
builttospill Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah, Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,398	Also sorry to hear this. The answer to your question is most consumer-level printing is done with inkjets, which smears/runs when wet. If you have a photo printer at home you'd get the same results if your homemade prints get moisture on them. The pro lab printing my photos uses real photo paper, chemicals and light to expose my digital photographs. I don't know the full details, but I know they use light sensitive paper run through a chemical process. Basically this means the photo is developed just like film. This makes prints much more tolerant to moisture and sun damage (fading), etc. I hope that answers your question...

08-16-2011, 11:35 AM	#4
charliezap Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: saugus ma Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,686 Original Poster	Originally posted by builttospill Also sorry to hear this. The answer to your question is most consumer-level printing is done with inkjets, which smears/runs when wet. If you have a photo printer at home you'd get the same results if your homemade prints get moisture on them. The pro lab printing my photos uses real photo paper, chemicals and light to expose my digital photographs. I don't know the full details, but I know they use light sensitive paper run through a chemical process. Basically this means the photo is developed just like film. This makes prints much more tolerant to moisture and sun damage (fading), etc. I hope that answers your question... I have an inkjet printer at home-- Canon-- and my glossy photos don't do what the staples print did if I get them spotted.I wipe them and the ink stays there. Not so on the staples print.--charliezap

08-16-2011, 11:38 AM	#5
Bob Harris Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Canon City, Colorado Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,477	Charlie, I wonder if there is a sealer that can be applied. Hope this fun project doesn't get too expensive, let us know what happens or what is suggested. Bob

08-16-2011, 12:04 PM	#6
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Bob Harris Charlie, I wonder if there is a sealer that can be applied. Hope this fun project doesn't get too expensive, let us know what happens or what is suggested. Bob not cheap but i've used this on archival stuff Hahnemuhle Protective Spray 14oz 2 Pack Set HFA-2 Sprays HM0000214 - Vistek Canada Product Detail if you have a good paint sprayer premier imaging products makes a bulk product that is harder to apply but way cheaper in the long run sample kit http://www.vistek.ca/store/PortfoliosAlbums/221752/premier-imaging-products-...queous-co.aspx

08-16-2011, 12:06 PM	#7
rhodopsin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Deep Forest Posts: 643	Originally posted by charliezap I have an inkjet printer at home-- Canon-- and my glossy photos don't do what the staples print did if I get them spotted.I wipe them and the ink stays there. Not so on the staples print.--charliezap Same here with Epson 1400, IF the print is allowed to dry for 24 hours in low humidity. Not waterproof though, similar to photo print, if water is allowed to stand, there will be a visible 'spot'.

08-16-2011, 12:09 PM	#8
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by charliezap I have an inkjet printer at home-- Canon-- and my glossy photos don't do what the staples print did if I get them spotted.I wipe them and the ink stays there. Not so on the staples print.--charliezap it depends on which canon (some do smear) and what the paper stock is I have no issues with my 9000 but i usually print on archival fine art papers designed for the ink type (i still use the spray as it prevents fading effectively as well)

08-16-2011, 12:17 PM	#9
builttospill Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah, Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,398	And the spray will need to be applied carefully, especially if it's applied to another Staples print. The moisture from the spray might do some damage before it dries. If you plan on doing this again I'd buy the spray and test on your print that's already been spotted.

08-16-2011, 12:26 PM	#10
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by builttospill And the spray will need to be applied carefully, especially if it's applied to another Staples print. The moisture from the spray might do some damage before it dries. If you plan on doing this again I'd buy the spray and test on your print that's already been spotted. good idea I'd also let any further prints set for 24-48 hours before applying the spray

08-17-2011, 06:20 AM	#13
charliezap Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: saugus ma Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,686 Original Poster	Originally posted by daacon Squeaky wheel wins again well done Capt'n They were very nice about it Dave and today after work it will be ready.--capn zap

08-17-2011, 06:44 AM	#14
daacon Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta,Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 20,914	Originally posted by charliezap They were very nice about it Dave and today after work it will be ready.--capn zap Serioulsy that is just good customer service - this alone will bring you back, word of mouth, etc. I try and pick my shops for the these very same reasons - Costco is very good , Sears and where I take my vehicles (in fact they have more than once ocassion just charged me just for parts ......) - these stores know it will bring me back and in the long run they come out way ahead. Good luck curious what the lamination process will look like.