Originally posted by netuser We have more voters now (more pentaxians
), so, sometimes some "not so technical images" get in. Nevertheless I believe they got in because they have some merit, for instance, reading the "Pentax Voting Criteria":
Sometimes I also think PPG is getting "easier" but
I believe it's more the case of being open to more people and of course more diverse and unique images etc...
I give you an example using Montoyas's image (
Montoya, please don't take my example the wrong way), I voted
no for the image.
Why ? Because apart from being an image that,
for me, tells a story and trigged an emotional response/perpective I could not accept that such a beautifull girl had her feet cut since it was not a fast image. He could hat the time to compose properly.
So I voted no due to technical "error" but hey, I like her at the same, even being a "not so technical image" that got in so, congrats to all and specially to Montoyas because he now also have a boost on motivation to improve more
Again,
my post is not to flame or start a "war". I'm just exposing/justifying my voting criteria because I believe our common gold is not to only get images IN the gallery for kudos but to get images in
that show our improvement in this never ending road that is photography that also show the pentax gear possibilities.
And let's all remember like someone else already said, this thread is to announce new images and not for critique. So
let's all have fun.
And like we say, those are just my 2 european cents
Originally posted by sealisthenewbeaver My two northern european cents, even though this might be the wrong place. (If moderators feel so, move this to another place, thanks...)
I'd also say it's easier to get in, but only with certain type of photos. Which are IMO not like in the bolded line. Actually, I'd say it's the opposite. It's the same thing in PPG as it is in Flickr and everywhere. With more and more people joining the wonderful world of photography, the level of the photos start to go steadily down. It's not a matter of just "bad photography" per se, but also a matter of ability to value the shots.
What I mean it's that the people that are new to photography are usually the ones that are the most enthusiastic (especially in the webforums) and almost everything that's better than their work looks "amazing" to their eye. It's quite easy to tell that just by checking the "Post photos"-section in the Pentax-forums. And if they don't want to get any criticism or if they don't want to learn and become better photographers they're likely to stay at the same level for ages and just think buying more gear will make them better photographers.
Also, the easiest way to learn for most people is by imitating. People have a tendency to try to recapture shots they have seen and which are often getting compliments. For example sunsets and seascapes. Sure there are great shots of stunning landscapes, but if there's plenty of them to be viewed and voted, like in ppg, they eventually lose their wow-effect. (Especially as the artistic value on those often relies on the nature itself than on the skills of the photographer). Same goes with macros, pretty girlfriends, kids, birds and everything. There are shots in each genre that deserve all compliments, but still most of the shots are/become dull. Or definitely not filling any of the voting criterias that netuser posted before.
The motocross picture mentioned before is a nice example though. It is probably not going to get published in any motocross/freestylemotorcrossmagazine as there are too many flaws, but it was technically good enough and definitely different from most of the shots there and thus getting enough yes-votes, which it truly deserves just because of the originality compared to the usual ppg-shots. (Have you seen lot of action shots in ppg? I haven't. I guess those are for brands that can make a working af-system...)
Sorry about the long rant... I don't know if it's all because I'm writing a longish (read: annoying
) essay about a subject like this. Anyway, I'd still rather be overly critical than passive and give empty compliments (and yesvotes) to shots that don't really deserve those. Like alfisti said, letting sub par images in devalues the entire idea of showcasing the obvious talent of Pentax shooters.
Interesting reading here.
If I can, just few reactions:
Truth is we have more voters, but as mentioned it's sword with two blades. A lot of beginners is just ooooh and aaaah on just about every other shot that gets in, and that may lower the standards. If they learn and improve, it's good for us because the standards will be improving with the skills of their (our) skills.
As for PPG voting criteria, I'm trying to be critical, especially with well established categories. F.E. Landscapes, there is just too many boring shots getting through IMO (I'm not pointing any single one shot or person here). While it takes skills, patience, eye, good gear and good PPing to make great landscape shot, there is a lot which are good, but not that good IMO.
On the other side there are shots like birds. Which again is quite popular topic too, but I think it takes much more to nail good bird shot than good landscape, so I try to be less critical about those.
And then there are categories which is just hard to find or get them through.
For example the motocross shot. While not perfect (though I'd still have it as keeper if mine [possibly in B&W
]) deserved the thumbs up IMO, simply because you don't get many good shots like that in there. It's different, it's good moment... and definitely good enough
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anyway, let's move on!
There's no point bickering about things like this, there's 6bn people, and there will be 6bn opinions (even if some will be similar).
This thread was crated with good intentions, for all users to proudly (rightfully so) display their accepted pictures.
So let's not spoil anybody's day and as Nuno said:
Quote: let's all have fun