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Posted By: causey, 04-03-2013, 07:20 PM

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04-04-2013, 03:31 AM   #2
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Super sharp great shots.

In the first shot, do you think they're trying to get a deal for taking all six of them.
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Super sharp great shots.

In the first shot, do you think they're trying to get a deal for taking all six of them.
Thank you.
I suppose everyone who sees this pic is bound to have the same thought
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bound to have the same thought
No only the sad ones like me.

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No only the sad ones like me.
Then I'm sad too. Even sadder than you: for presuming the universality of the original thought.

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Thanks for the tour. I really enjoyed it. I like the thought provoking image in the first shot although I am not sad and think he was giving directions to the guy with the bike carriage. I also like the perspective in the second shot.
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Nice shots - TFS.
Hoping to get to NY one day.
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enjoyable series, all very crisp TFS, cheers

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Thank you all. I'm glad you liked the set.
Learned something new today: "TFS" (googled it ).
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QuoteOriginally posted by kerrowdown Quote
Super sharp great shots.

In the first shot, do you think they're trying to get a deal for taking all six of them.
What a shame it is that there are still people that think like this. My thought was more along the lines of Susan's, someone asking for directions.

Enjoyed the images. TFS
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What a shame it is that there are still people that think like this. My thought was more along the lines of Susan's, someone asking for directions.

Enjoyed the images. TFS

Thank you for stopping by and for commenting.

I think they were actually bargaining. In any case, they were arguing with the ricsa driver. All the persons in the first pic are newyorkers; they didn't need directions. And one doesn't stop a ricsa in the street to ask for--much less give--directions when the sidewalk is full of people, especially when accompanied by kids.
It is a stereotype about Jews, and about Orthodox Jews in particular, that they like bargaining. There are negative stereotypes about all peoples in the world (e.g., the Scotts are stingy; the Greeks are lazy; the French are arrogant and Socialists; etc.) They are facts of life, and usually harmless, i.e., they do not have any judgmental/hateful/political intention originally, IMO. They become problematic when a person pretends to know (something essential about) someone else on the basis of a stereotype.
Now I'm thinking... If there's something wrong about the mere supposition that they were bargaining, perhaps the picture itself--a snapshot that I took mechanically, without thinking anything--has some political content, because it seems to be the image of a street negotiation... What can I say? It happens that the image "confirms" a stereotype. Does this really give support to a moral judgment about the individuals in the pic or about Orthodox Jews in general? I don't think so.

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How can you tell they are all New Yorkers? The driver probably is - tourists rarely drive cabs. There are orthodox communities outside of NYC so the others could be locals or tourists. The colorful bag being carried makes me think they're tourists but it could go either way.

You "think" they were bargaining? Did you hear the words spoken? If not they could have been bargaining, or asking for directions, or arguing because the driver almost hit one of the pedestrians, or something else.

While we're discussing stereotypes, look at the bike driver's hand. Is he a flashing a gang sign or threatening to shoot them? Nah, he's probably pointing. Directions, maybe?

P.S. Good set. #1 and #6 are my favorites.
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How can you tell they are all New Yorkers? The driver probably is - tourists rarely drive cabs. There are orthodox communities outside of NYC so the others could be locals or tourists. The colorful bag being carried makes me think they're tourists but it could go either way.

You "think" they were bargaining? Did you hear the words spoken? If not they could have been bargaining, or asking for directions, or arguing because the driver almost hit one of the pedestrians, or something else.

While we're discussing stereotypes, look at the bike driver's hand. Is he a flashing a gang sign or threatening to shoot them? Nah, he's probably pointing. Directions, maybe?

P.S. Good set. #1 and #6 are my favorites.
Thanks for the comment.

Yes, I think they were bargaining. Just an impression. Being there, I had this impression. I also had the impression they were not tourists. There might have been 200 Orthodox Jews around and in Schwarz' toy store on the 5th Avenue that day... They just didn't look like tourists. Anyway, I had this impression, which might be xenophobe or fascist. Or it might be just an impression that happened to agree with a stereotype.

I can't think of any stereotype that associates bike drivers' raised hands (as in pointing to something) with threats. Yes, about the bike driver I had the same impression: he was pointing to some location (maybe considering a possible route?).

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Oh I see, causey is from the South (USA), that explains everything. LOL LOL. Oh wait, I'm being stereotypical
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Oh I see, causey is from the South (USA), that explains everything. LOL LOL. Oh wait, I'm being stereotypical

Explains what? What I've been trying to say is precisely that stereotypes aren't harmful unless they are used to "explain" something essential about a person or group of people. My impression--which, again, does agree with a stereotype--is an interpretation of the scene, not an explanation of essential traits of character.

No, I'm Romanian--you know, Romanians, Europe's beggars and thieves.

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