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Moss Macro · 05:29 AM

It had been a terrible weekend for me to make my macro lens work on k20d.

Finally, I got some shots to work out in the end .... Sigh....

Now I need to figure out how to use this lens without flash! (I am missing my k10d already)

rmtagg · 03-24-2008, 05:34 AM

What an interesting moth. How long have you had your K20?

roentarre · 03-24-2008, 05:41 AM

Hi Rosemary. I had my k20d for about 3 weeks or so now. Shamefully, I had not used it as much as I should have...

I miss k10d for its ease to use using long macro lens

LED · 03-24-2008, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by roentarre

Now I need to figure out how to use this lens without flash! (I am missing my k10d already)

How come ?

Techiechick · 03-24-2008, 04:01 PM

Lovely macros. How come you miss your K10D. From the research I have done, the K20 doesn't seem that much different except for the higher pixel count and the live LCD.

Fritz · 03-24-2008, 04:27 PM

I have to admit I was expecting soggy green stuff growing on rotten logs when I opened this thread.

But I'm not disappointed. Nice moth shots.

Much more colorful then the ones we have around here.

Is the k20 that much different then the k10? They look like they would handle about the same.

**SCGushue** · 03-24-2008, 09:22 PM

James,

Nice images and sorry to hear about technical problems getting the lens to work properly. Please feel free to explain the details later.

Like Fritz I was expecting to see macro images of moss but apparently they are pictures of moths. Or did I miss the moss on the moths.

Stephen

little laker · 03-24-2008, 11:20 PM

They're still beautiful shots James,

'm another one wondering what the real difference is between using the K10D and the K20d for macro's.

I can't even imagine macro's without a flash now that I've seen the light.

G M Fude · 03-25-2008, 12:10 AM

That is indeed an unusual moth. Shots came out superbly -- love the pollen on the antennae!

roentarre · 03-25-2008, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by LED

How come ?

Originally posted by Techiechick

Lovely macros. How come you miss your K10D. From the research I have done, the K20 doesn't seem that much different except for the higher pixel count and the live LCD.

My main problem using A* 200 f4 macro on k20d is predominantly under-exposure by 2 stops. Another headache is the inability to shoot macro unless ISO 1600 is used no matter how well the subject is illuminated by harsh sun. I suspect that the higher pixel count might require longer exposure to saturate the photosite ...

This lens on k10d is much easier to use. The images are always overexposed by 2 stops and the problem is predictable and ISO 100 is often used for macro using available light.

Well, voigtlander 125mm macro works well on k20d. I will survive

roentarre · 03-25-2008, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Fritz

I have to admit I was expecting soggy green stuff growing on rotten logs when I opened this thread.

But I'm not disappointed. Nice moth shots.

Much more colorful then the ones we have around here.

Is the k20 that much different then the k10? They look like they would handle about the same.

I just realised that I made an error in calling moth as moss. Maybe I was thinking about Tara Moss too much.

k20d is a great camera with many aspects of photography with emphasis on image quality. I am trying to use the camera on macro to know what I am expecting. I made an mistake going to a wedding without testing k20d properly. A lot of Backfocusing and erratic exposure made my shoot quite dissapointing.

Always remember to learn the tool before using it.

roentarre · 03-25-2008, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by SCGushue

James,

Nice images and sorry to hear about technical problems getting the lens to work properly. Please feel free to explain the details later.

Like Fritz I was expecting to see macro images of moss but apparently they are pictures of moths. Or did I miss the moss on the moths.

Stephen

Embarassingly I realised the mishap. Funny that I think I would learn to live with the erratic exposure of A* 200mm f4 macro on k20d just like how I learnt to adapt it on k10d.

Darren tested the lens out while I visited him in Taiwan. He swore that he hated the lens and preferred his tamron 90mm f2.8 macro.

I guess I had been quiet with no posts for some time. Some pictures would not hurt

Originally posted by little laker

They're still beautiful shots James,

'm another one wondering what the real difference is between using the K10D and the K20d for macro's.

I can't even imagine macro's without a flash now that I've seen the light.

Stu, thanks for the commenting.

I think the dynamic range is higher and contrasty bokeh are the two things I found out. Even shot with JPEGs, images are considerably easier to rescue if exposure was off.

The bokeh can be very pleasant and colourful with little vertical pattern noise. People who has a camera in hand all the time would find the difference quite obvious. However, it is probably not that worthwhile with the current price tag...

roentarre · 03-25-2008, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by G M Fude

That is indeed an unusual moth. Shots came out superbly -- love the pollen on the antennae!

It was spotted in a nearby park when I tried to snap a few shots on still life.

Quite an unexpected find.

A few other shots.

G M Fude · 03-25-2008, 02:22 AM

Gee, difficult subjects, you sure are a hard taskmaster for yourself James. I prefer the second one... for a reason I can't really define.

You will post some Tara shots if you ever get any, right?

roentarre · 03-25-2008, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by G M Fude

Gee, difficult subjects, you sure are a hard taskmaster for yourself James. I prefer the second one... for a reason I can't really define.

You will post some Tara shots if you ever get any, right?

I guess my salivary glands would not stop secreting when I spot one

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SCGushue Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,449	James, Nice images and sorry to hear about technical problems getting the lens to work properly. Please feel free to explain the details later. Like Fritz I was expecting to see macro images of moss but apparently they are pictures of moths. Or did I miss the moss on the moths. Stephen

03-24-2008, 11:20 PM	#8
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	They're still beautiful shots James, 'm another one wondering what the real difference is between using the K10D and the K20d for macro's. I can't even imagine macro's without a flash now that I've seen the light.

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G M Fude Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 439	That is indeed an unusual moth. Shots came out superbly -- love the pollen on the antennae!

03-25-2008, 01:49 AM	#10
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783 Original Poster	Originally posted by LED How come ? Originally posted by Techiechick Lovely macros. How come you miss your K10D. From the research I have done, the K20 doesn't seem that much different except for the higher pixel count and the live LCD. My main problem using A* 200 f4 macro on k20d is predominantly under-exposure by 2 stops. Another headache is the inability to shoot macro unless ISO 1600 is used no matter how well the subject is illuminated by harsh sun. I suspect that the higher pixel count might require longer exposure to saturate the photosite ... This lens on k10d is much easier to use. The images are always overexposed by 2 stops and the problem is predictable and ISO 100 is often used for macro using available light. Well, voigtlander 125mm macro works well on k20d. I will survive

03-25-2008, 01:55 AM	#11
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783 Original Poster	Originally posted by Fritz I have to admit I was expecting soggy green stuff growing on rotten logs when I opened this thread. But I'm not disappointed. Nice moth shots. Much more colorful then the ones we have around here. Is the k20 that much different then the k10? They look like they would handle about the same. I just realised that I made an error in calling moth as moss. Maybe I was thinking about Tara Moss too much. k20d is a great camera with many aspects of photography with emphasis on image quality. I am trying to use the camera on macro to know what I am expecting. I made an mistake going to a wedding without testing k20d properly. A lot of Backfocusing and erratic exposure made my shoot quite dissapointing. Always remember to learn the tool before using it.

03-25-2008, 02:02 AM	#12
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783 Original Poster	Originally posted by SCGushue James, Nice images and sorry to hear about technical problems getting the lens to work properly. Please feel free to explain the details later. Like Fritz I was expecting to see macro images of moss but apparently they are pictures of moths. Or did I miss the moss on the moths. Stephen Embarassingly I realised the mishap. Funny that I think I would learn to live with the erratic exposure of A* 200mm f4 macro on k20d just like how I learnt to adapt it on k10d. Darren tested the lens out while I visited him in Taiwan. He swore that he hated the lens and preferred his tamron 90mm f2.8 macro. I guess I had been quiet with no posts for some time. Some pictures would not hurt Originally posted by little laker They're still beautiful shots James, 'm another one wondering what the real difference is between using the K10D and the K20d for macro's. I can't even imagine macro's without a flash now that I've seen the light. Stu, thanks for the commenting. I think the dynamic range is higher and contrasty bokeh are the two things I found out. Even shot with JPEGs, images are considerably easier to rescue if exposure was off. The bokeh can be very pleasant and colourful with little vertical pattern noise. People who has a camera in hand all the time would find the difference quite obvious. However, it is probably not that worthwhile with the current price tag...

03-25-2008, 02:06 AM	#13
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783 Original Poster	Originally posted by G M Fude That is indeed an unusual moth. Shots came out superbly -- love the pollen on the antennae! It was spotted in a nearby park when I tried to snap a few shots on still life. Quite an unexpected find. A few other shots.

03-25-2008, 02:22 AM	#14
G M Fude Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 439	Gee, difficult subjects, you sure are a hard taskmaster for yourself James. I prefer the second one... for a reason I can't really define. You will post some Tara shots if you ever get any, right?

03-25-2008, 02:44 AM	#15
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783 Original Poster	Originally posted by G M Fude Gee, difficult subjects, you sure are a hard taskmaster for yourself James. I prefer the second one... for a reason I can't really define. You will post some Tara shots if you ever get any, right? I guess my salivary glands would not stop secreting when I spot one

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