Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
  #1
Experimenting
Posted By: regken, 01-19-2007, 07:22 AM

Thought this might be a good photo to try and salvage. Everything that could go wrong did. It was pre-dawn 10 degrees Fahrenheit, the wind was blowing at about 30 knots, and my fingers were freezing in less than a minute. When I looked at the review it amazed me it was so clear and bright considering how little light there was. When I checked it on the computer and saw the P mode had chosen f 2.8, shutter at 1/30 and ISO 1600 it made more sense.

I left the image soft and used a lot of noise reduction to try and capture the fog that was racing across the water. Does this shot work on any level?

Thanks,

Last edited by regken; 01-24-2007 at 07:54 PM.
Views: 1,555
01-19-2007, 10:23 AM   #2
Veteran Member
clarenceclose's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocatello, Idaho
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,519
It does convey the sense of cold and fog, the flag and the water chop give me the wind and I like the fact that you were able to capture the flag and pole against the darker backdrop of the trees as it could have been lost if higher.
I fine the layering depth given by the fog as the boats fade into the background very appealing.

Don't know about the crop, if there is one. Maybe come 1/8 of the way up from the bottom and 1/4 of the way from the top giving some sky and keeping the wave on the bottom right but making this shot more horizontal as the movement is horizontal.
01-19-2007, 10:30 AM   #3
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 5,713
I like it, but I'm also not that fond of the crop
although I don't know what I'd do to change it
01-19-2007, 10:51 AM   #4
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangor, Maine
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,382
Original Poster
Thanks for the cropping ideas. Didn't want to lose the bottom wave so I cropped up to it. Took a little off the sky. Does it need more cropping?

Thanks,

01-19-2007, 12:33 PM   #5
Veteran Member
clarenceclose's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocatello, Idaho
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,519
To my eye, this looks better.

Played with some paper to block out more/less of the sky on my screen and I think you photo balance is good as cropped.

What this also did is pull you prime wind indicator more to the forefront of the photo and closer to a balance point IMHO.

Others may disagree, but hey, if we all agreed then the worth of the forum would be degraded.

Sharpening could ruin the blowing fog in the image more than you want but you may want to consider a selective sharpening of the main boat.
Duplicate your background layer, sharpen the whole thing to where the boat is where you want it, then mask out the rest of the photo around the boat.
If the boat is too oversharpened and does not look correct you can then change the opacity of this layer to bring it back some.
01-19-2007, 12:45 PM   #6
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 5,713
I agree with Clarance on the cropping, it looks much better now.
I don't know about the rest though, but that could be because I'm still new to the touch up thing.
01-20-2007, 10:29 AM   #7
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangor, Maine
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,382
Original Poster
Clarence,
After thinking about your suggestions I went back and started over. This was my first try with a selective mask. Also ran through several raw converters to see which one could do the best job for me. Bibble seemed better.

Hope I can get some opinions from the group.

Thanks,
01-20-2007, 12:37 PM   #8
Veteran Member
foxglove's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Atlantic Canada
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,049
This definitely conveys cold and windy! I don't know what your noise was like to begin with, but I wonder if you've reduced it a little far. I find NR gives a slightly bizarre smoothness, but that may just be me. I find that the water in the first two images looks peculiar, as though the NR has tried to deal with the fog and wavelets as noise, and smoothed it away. The third one has more wave detail, but I'm not sure I like the colour or selective sharpening on the boat. In the first two, the blueness (even if it's a little inaccurate) enhances the feeling of coldness, and pre-dawn-ness, to make up a word.

The more horizontal crop emphasizes the blowing mist. If you're still having fun playing with it, why not see how it looks with that crop, a little less NR, and the colder colours? I wonder if there's not a better balance to be had between noise and detail in the mist and water. The softness of the boat doesn't really bother me, but maybe a teensy bit of sharpening would be appropriate. Or maybe sharpen the things that aren't obscured by the mist?

Those are my thoughts, for what they're worth. I think you've captured a cold early morning quite well - I know it's challenging! I was trying to photograph the "arctic smoke" on the bay we live above, and don't think I succeeded very well - I was shooting from the shelter of our back porch because it was -35C with the windchill! Maybe I'll post one of those later for your comments.

Julie

01-20-2007, 01:54 PM   #9
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangor, Maine
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,382
Original Poster
Julie,
Thank you for your observations. If anybody knows what cold looks like it's someone from the Maritime provinces. Hall's Harbor in N.S. is one of my favorite spots.
I'll work on this some more and replace my last image later today. Hope you will take a look at it.

Thanks,

Last edited by regken; 01-20-2007 at 02:01 PM.
01-20-2007, 02:39 PM   #10
Veteran Member
foxglove's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Atlantic Canada
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,049
QuoteOriginally posted by regken Quote
Hall's Harbor in N.S. is one of my favorite spots.
You have good taste! Some of my field sites (stream ecology research) are not far from there. Wonderful area, I'm lucky to my field work there. Even in the winter, which I've done!

Julie
01-20-2007, 04:30 PM   #11
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangor, Maine
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,382
Original Poster
I think the third one is the best but would like to have all of your impressions. Reduced the nr, used less sharpening and set the wb for a cooler look. If nothing else I learned a lot doing this.
Thanks for any comments you may have.
01-20-2007, 04:46 PM   #12
Veteran Member
clarenceclose's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocatello, Idaho
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,519
IMO the last picture posted lost the cold as the overall look is warmer.

Also the last shot seems overall sharpened for some reason and a little too intense as you have moved away from the 'boats disappearing into the fog' look of the two on the right. It could be just the overall color.

You might want to tone back on the sharpness layer opacity a bit on the center focus boat too, just a touch.
01-20-2007, 05:25 PM   #13
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangor, Maine
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,382
Original Poster
Clarence,
Tried it again. I think I'm getting closer.
01-20-2007, 07:17 PM   #14
Veteran Member
clarenceclose's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocatello, Idaho
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,519
Yah, that is cold. I think you nailed it. Sharpness looks pretty good.
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
camera, photo
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:58 PM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top